Caledonian Craig Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 This election result alone will demonstrate how far apart Scotland has drifted politically from the rest of the UK. I expect the SNP to win around 50 of 59 seats in Scotland with the Tories winning 4 at absolute most. However, the Tories are being tipped across the UK to win by an increased majority. In short the rest of the UK are happy to vote Tory whilst Scots are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 50 minutes ago, aaid said: Some Labour MPs , a couple of others and Natalie McGarry and Michelle Thomson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alan said: So you are against the Fixed Term Parliaments act ? http://www.andersoncaledonian.com/blog/the-strange-case-of-the-self-loathing-scot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Just now, Ally Bongo said: So you are against the Fixed Term Parliaments act ? http://www.andersoncaledonian.com/blog/the-strange-case-of-the-self-loathing-scot I'm laughing at the 2 who voted against as they know they'll be looking for a bew scam soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, aaid said: 1 hour ago, aaid said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, irnbruman said: Scottish people who are changing from Labour to Tory - just completely wrong. As an ex labour supporter (as statistically most in Scotland once were) I used to think how could someone flip to narrow nationalism was completely wrong... It happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: http://www.andersoncaledonian.com/blog/the-strange-case-of-the-self-loathing-scot Lovely article. Still doesn't offer how you convert these folk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, flumax said: As an ex labour supporter (as statistically most in Scotland once were) I used to think how could someone flip to narrow nationalism was completely wrong... It happens As someone who resembles that remark, I think the two circumstances are very different. The constitution aside, there really isn't a lot of difference between the policies of Labour and the SNP, really you are only talking about levels of detail and slightly varying priorities. Once you get around the suspicion of Nationalism and realise that the only way to have a chance of having a state that comes anywhere close to enacting those policies is independence, it's not that difficult. Both the Labour Party and the SNP are pretty broad churches and unless you're at the extremes you'll find a place. The issue of solidarity still troubles me but I came to realise you can't impose a government on a country that doesn't want it. I can only imagine the mental gymnastics that a former Labour supporter has to go through to justify voting Tory. I know that I could never do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 A true Labour government can only exist in an independent Scotland. The Corbyn Labour doesn't stand a chance down here, and New Labour is just a centerist party. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 38 minutes ago, aaid said: The issue of solidarity still troubles me but I came to realise you can't impose a government on a country that doesn't want it.. I think maybe the best thing for the left in England is a near northern neighbour which embodies 'progressive' values and actually works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Alan said: I'm laughing at the 2 who voted against as they know they'll be looking for a bew scam soon. What do you think of Lesley's accurate comments ? Happy with that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Alan said: I'm laughing at the 2 who voted against as they know they'll be looking for a bew scam soon. If the Labour party had abstained like the SNP or indeed voted No, Teresa May would have had to push for a vote of no confidence in her Government to get the General Election Michelle Thomson MPVerified account @MichelleThomson I voted no against #GE17 - this is a time for leadership from the opposition not abstention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 55 minutes ago, Bristolhibby said: A true Labour government can only exist in an independent Scotland. The Corbyn Labour doesn't stand a chance down here, and New Labour is just a centerist party. J So why are current Labour on a hiding to nothing while the New Labour mirror aka SNP popular? It's amazing how nationalists will convince themselves they are "real" Labour especially those who have lived in England for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 And its going to be interesting if SNP will say they are for the EU as they have talked about "single market" a lot but not EU. Think they will flip flop to EEA or some watered down set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, aaid said: I can only imagine the mental gymnastics that a former Labour supporter has to go through to justify voting Tory. I know that I could never do it. This is the crux of it. How someone can park socialism for conservatism overnight is beyond me...i accept the gradual change with age with a dabble for the lib dems in between, but too flip seems odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: What do you think of Lesley's accurate comments ? Happy with that ? Why introduce her as voting for independence. May as well say born in England raised in Northern Ireland and educated in Wales.. Prime the audience before you start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, flumax said: Why introduce her as voting for independence. May as well say born in England raised in Northern Ireland and educated in Wales.. Prime the audience before you start. Thats the impartial BBC for you Just look at the main BBC Scotland Newspage http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 He's talking to you Alan Talking to YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, flumax said: Why introduce her as voting for independence. May as well say born in England raised in Northern Ireland and educated in Wales.. Prime the audience before you start. If you get a chance, have a look at Daily Politics Scotland on iPlayer from earlier today. A really good discussion with Lesley and Davie Clegg from the Record - who was also pretty good - and Gordon Brewer introduces her as simply "political commentator". She expands on a lot of stuff from the earlier clip and has some interesting things to say about a potential SNP/Green electoral alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: He's talking to you Alan Talking to YOU Well said that man after watching the documentary on channel 4 tonight about the dire mess the tories have left the NHS in l hope Corbin and co use it against this heinous government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Jo Swinson is taking on John Nicolson again on a Pro UK and Pro EU ticket That shows what she thinks of the electorate's intelligence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: What do you think of Lesley's accurate comments ? Happy with that ? 2014: Scotland should be at the heart of the UK, even leading the UK, 2017: Scots MPs (58/59) are part of the problem, to be silenced and crushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 So there's all this talk of whether the SNP should go into the election on an outright independence ticket or not. I'm wondering if there's a third way, like, the equivalent of "in the event of Scotland being dragged out the EU against her will." That clause meant that SNP not seen to be too prematurely agitating for indyref2, unless the unthinkable happened and the s---hit the fan. Which it duly did. So what would be the GE2017 equivalent? That GE2017 snp majority taken as mandate to directly negotiate independence if indyref2 not granted before Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 The Sco/UK constituencies aren't the same, and whilst I'm in doubt there will be swing 'away' from the SNP, I think the party have a strong chance of holding a huge number of seats. I live and grew up in an SNP stronghold, and it's all up to us. Whilst the SNP have been less than revolutionary at local level, who do you really want - Tory or SNP? And by abstaining/cannae be arsed, but could be in 2015, will bring the SNP the 5-10 losses. So get on your mum/dad/pal's arse at get him voting. Whilst there are huge parts of the SNP they can be disappointment with ; mon' this is a different vote altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Have a look at the electoral calculus website. Predictions of increased SNP majorities in the Central belt in particular and a further diminishing of the Labour vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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