Toepoke Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Oh and the issues havent been discussed! Well wake up and listen you westminster bubble clowns! Aye, couldnae believe what I was hearing there. We've had at least THREE YEARS of the issues being discussed daily in Scotland... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofoi Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Aye, couldnae believe what I was hearing there. We've had at least THREE YEARS of the issues being discussed daily in Scotland... That to me is part of the problem - their arrogance, patronising and even contempt - oh it's not going to happen so we'll ignore it & treat it with the contempt the little people deserve. Well with what 11 days to go - coming out with drivel points that have been put to bed ad infinitum could be a self defeating prophecy for them. The mail on Sunday headline is a disgrace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Imagine we win later tonight too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Imagine we win later tonight too. Unthinkable... Brilliant from a football perspective first and foremost but from an independence point of view... Ooft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Just watching a documentary on Ya Choob, and this bit jumped out at me: http://youtu.be/N1l3F6n8i-A?t=17m32s I wonder if Curtice still sticks by his asseration (from a year ago admittedly) that the Yes campaign "twittering" and "knocking on peoples doors" won't be enough to win the day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Just watching a documentary on Ya Choob, and this bit jumped out at me: http://youtu.be/N1l3F6n8i-A?t=17m32s I wonder if Curtice still sticks by his asseration (from a year ago admittedly) that the Yes campaign "twittering" and "knocking on peoples doors" won't be enough to win the day? It is fascinating from a media point of view that a Yes victory will have been won without the help of and overwhelmingly in the face of the traditional media. Old fashioned door knocking, talking to people, handing out pamphlets/booklets and new media such as the internet will have triumphed over the press and televsion barons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 If we get a Yes vote, is that Curtice's reputation severely damaged ? He's been unbelievably negative towards the Yes campaign any time I've seen him on tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Just watching a documentary on Ya Choob, and this bit jumped out at me: http://youtu.be/N1l3F6n8i-A?t=17m32s I wonder if Curtice still sticks by his asseration (from a year ago admittedly) that the Yes campaign "twittering" and "knocking on peoples doors" won't be enough to win the day? Just pinched your clip for Facebook. It's extremely telling of the contempt that Westminster has for us that they haven't really engaged with any part of the campaign. I can't believe how badly they've been advised on how to handle the referendum. But then again - it's hard to argue when you don't have a strong point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbductedbyAliens Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 According to Rupert Murdoch, Salmonds private polls show 54-46 for yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbductedbyAliens Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Surely if the UK government announce the bribe about for extra powers to Scotland, that will break the Edinburgh Agreement, where neither government could make major annoncements 28 days before the polling date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Wont be announced by the UK Government - any announcement will be by the parties themselves which strictly doesnt break purdah. Purdah isn't even official - it's entirely self-enforced so is more a convention than a rule. Not even sure it covers UK Government as this is a Scottish referendum. All of the above is by the by - it sh*ts all over democracy if one side goes changing the terms of a vote AFTER some votes have been cast by postal ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe545 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 TNS face-to-face poll will be released at midnight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 TNS face-to-face poll will be released at midnight Even If it showed Yes at 60% I'd dismiss it with a "meh". Not enough quality control in place for street polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alt-Del Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 To Auld Reekie (couldn't quote) -- That's what the whole 'purdah' thing is there for, though... to stop people shittin on democracy. This should turn out to be a decisive error if handled correctly by Yes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Next poll timeline: 8th - TNS 9th - Survation 11th - ICM (IIRC) 13th - YouGov, Panelbase (estimates) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 article about the shenanigans from YOUGOV original article http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/09/when-the-push-polling-has-to-stop/ When the push polling has to stopby craig on September 8, 2014 12:39 am in Uncategorized YouGov stood to have its reputation shattered if it continued to put out polls showing ten point leads for No, when Yes is very obviously headed for a majority. Those massive YouGov leads for No were all part of the Unionist tactic of making independence appear both uniquely impossible to Scotland, as opposed to any other small nation state you can name, and an unattainable dream. Too poor, too wee, too stupid and politically isolated. YouGov are known in the trade as “You Can Have Any Result You Pay For Gov”. For months, James Kelly on the Scot Goes Pop blog has brilliantly analysed the methodologies they employed to give those large No leads – asking prior leading questions, a large preponderance of Labour voters in their panel, and the “Kellner Correction” – an assumption that lies or faulty memory about how people last voted, would penalise Labour unless corrected for statistically. The result was YouGov polls that were great reading for the No camp, but made no sense whatsever to anybody who had talked to voters. My own view is that there has not been an extraordinary 12 point swing in a fortnight, as illustrated by YouGov’s last two polls. What there has been is a continuing stead swing and a realisation in YouGov that, having helped the No campaign for over a year by trying to make a Yes vote seem hopeless, to be over 12% out on this vital vote might damage YouGov’s share price fatally. So they have had to start publishing something close to the truth. As I have been reporting, the truth has been very obvious to people on the ground for weeks. And the truth is not only that independence is coming, but that the entire political class, BBC and mainstream media has been rejected, and a new form of popular power, based on community democracy and social media, has taken over. I received an invite from the National Library of Scotland to a post-referendum debrief at 9am on 19 September. Anybody sober at 9am on 19 September (unless having medical excuse) is not part of the New Scotland. But more crucially, the panel includes Henry McLeish and Michael Moore – and they want people to pay 35 pounds to listen to their words of wisdom. They really haven’t got it yet. Nobody will ever care what Moore and McLeish and their like have to say again, and the kind of democracy we will have will not involve paying substantial sums to hear pearls of wisdom drop from troughers on a pedestal. Nor will members of the old political establishment have a future in that career. It was a good tactic for Alex Salmond to say that Darling and Carmichael will be on the negotiating team: the people will not allow it to happen. There is at last some understanding that Yes will win: the penny has not yet dropped that this is a revolutionary moment, not a polite constitutional shuffle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 @ian_a_jones: The new TNS poll on Scottish independence is a sensation. It's embargoed until midnight, but I doubt the media will wait that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Kevin Pringle has reTweeted about tonight's poll and even more from Ewen MacAskill Ewen MacAskillVerified account @ewenmacaskill Bad news for no campaign in Scottish referendum. YouGov poll not a blip. Next batch of polling expected to confirm shift to independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Stop it - it's too exciting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Tarantula Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Alasdair Allan has a post on facebook saying the TNS poll tonight is 50-50. Yes up 6%, No down 6%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Polls are pish. Just ignore them and keep working hard. They are trying to make you complacent. Don't let them do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant grebner Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 The figures for tonights TNS poll are Yes 38, No 39, DK 23. Headline figure of 50/50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 The figures for tonights TNS poll are Yes 38, No 39, DK 23. Headline figure of 50/50 Still 23% don't know? Jeezo However, if reports are true that most DKs are turning to Yes at a ratio of 2:1 then its great news I suppose.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Even If it showed Yes at 60% I'd dismiss it with a "meh". Not enough quality control in place for street polls. I agree. How are they weighted? And surely only those people who have the time to stop and chat will be recorded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 The 6.30pm ITN news was one long Better Together propaganda feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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