VTA Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 No matter what your views it is surely nothing less than disturbing to hear the leaders of banks and Gordon Brown explaining their financial vision and wizardry. How can they be so thick skinned to simply ignore the recession they created with their previous financial hallucinations and pontificate about financial meltdowns. Has no one noticed.....we have had one, we are suffering now. And the ever altruistic Tories leapt at the chance to cut taxes...for millionaires only and slashed services, supports and benefits for the poorest people in society. There seems to be no media speculation about their qualification to comment. When you look at the list of irresistibles; Cameron Clegg Farage Milliband Gove Hunt Johnson Hammond et al What's not to like? Just waiting for Tony Blair to wade in with a 'dossier' to round things off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Whitfield Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Far too late for the soaraway sun to join in and declare for yes and make any difference. Should have done so a long time ago, even how unpalatable it would have been. Are they sensing a yes victory and trying to jump on the bandwagon? Take it or leave it, I'd rather leave it with the baggage it entails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 It went most of the way down Buchanan street which is hard to see in this picture. Truly amazing. Politics being debated peacefully and respectfully on the streets of Glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 Survation data table is another pile of pish. http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Better-Together-Voting-Intention-Tables.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenAngus Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I've little time for Murdoch, but it would have been useful to have had a daily newspaper in Scotland countering and ridiculing the ridiculous lies of the cringers. On a side issue, anyone who makes a decision to vote based on what a newspaper tells them deserves to have their ballot paper torn up in front of their face. Same as folk deciding on the word of a sportsperson or other public figure. But not as bad as voting because that is the vocal view of your team's fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Glasgow has been amazing today. It fekt like the Commonwealth Games but about politics. I'll be astounded if Glasgow came back as a No, it would be a sure sign of fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Tarantula Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Survation data table is another pile of pish. http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Better-Together-Voting-Intention-Tables.pdf Yes, some very surprising numbers in there. Again, they cant get the 16-24 years olds right. 12% swing one week to Yes, 15% swing to No the next. Useless!! The only constant is the over 65s. The figures dont change regardless of the polling company!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Yes, some very surprising numbers in there. Again, they cant get the 16-24 years olds right. 12% swing one week to Yes, 15% swing to No the next. Useless!! The only constant is the over 65s. The figures dont change regardless of the polling company!! There is no consistancy in any of the polls. Yesterday didn't ICM have Highlands/Isles 28% Labour voters 42% South Scotland 40% Today with this Survation, High and Ise 47% Labour 25% South Scotland 27% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Yes, some very surprising numbers in there. Again, they cant get the 16-24 years olds right. 12% swing one week to Yes, 15% swing to No the next. Useless!! The only constant is the over 65s. The figures dont change regardless of the polling company!! I have about 40 homes in my delivery (postman) in the most affluent part of Prestwick and more than half of them are pensioners and I know quite a few more on my delivery are pro yes and have no Yes bunting and on the No side we have 3 homes with support of the No campaign and it has been like that for over a couple of weeks and during the same period more and more people on my delivery are putting up Yes bunting ... even converted a family to Yes today during my round who were undecided ... I firmly believe it will be the new registrants that can win this for YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Seems to be a page missing on that report, or they can't count... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Is there an ICM poll out today? This from The Telegraph: "The Survation poll this weekend put Unionists eight points ahead of the Yes campaign. But an ICM poll, which shows support for independence leading by a similar margin, cannot, and will not, be ignored." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frew Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Is there an ICM poll out today? This from The Telegraph: "The Survation poll this weekend put Unionists eight points ahead of the Yes campaign. But an ICM poll, which shows support for independence leading by a similar margin, cannot, and will not, be ignored." From Scot Goes Pop One obvious possibility we shouldn't discount is that BT have used their vast resources to commission several private polls from different companies, and have simply published the worst one for Yes (ie. 'publication bias'). Today's figures are, of course, well within the margin of error of a 49% Yes vote - exactly the same as yesterday's poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 From Scot Goes Pop One obvious possibility we shouldn't discount is that BT have used their vast resources to commission several private polls from different companies, and have simply published the worst one for Yes (ie. 'publication bias'). Today's figures are, of course, well within the margin of error of a 49% Yes vote - exactly the same as yesterday's poll. Exactly what I said to my wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broath Boy Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 This is my take, I rarely post, but, I've never had a yes or no door knockers up my scheme, btw 90% yes! I was down town Arbroath today both yes and no campaigns, got pictures to prove, 2 people at no stall 30+ at yes stall! I've a fairly big pool of friends, 90 + yes. I simply do not believe these polls, in my eyes I think we can do this 60/40. I have seen no opposition. Where are these polls coming from. Or is it the case small towns don't matter either way but you must take big cities, confused, please help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 It will be exploited by BT.Cant see a positive angle for any left winger to be comfortable waving a Sun around. Better together had 12000 mutants supporting them today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 This is my take, I rarely post, but, I've never had a yes or no door knockers up my scheme, btw 90% yes! I was down town Arbroath today both yes and no campaigns, got pictures to prove, 2 people at no stall 30+ at yes stall! I've a fairly big pool of friends, 90 + yes. I simply do not believe these polls, in my eyes I think we can do this 60/40. I have seen no opposition. Where are these polls coming from. Or is it the case small towns don't matter either way but you must take big cities, confused, please help I agree with you. I sense there is a growing disconnect between what the polls, the bookies and the street tell me. The bookies do not reconcile with the polls and the polls do not reconcile with the street. Whatever the truth of it if we really do have the street the polls and the bookies can go fukk themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) We're expecting a Opinium/Observer poll at 8pm Edited September 13, 2014 by Clyde1998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Had to laugh at the last poll - commissioned by BT. Eight point lead You would normally associate that sort of propaganda with North Korea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Rumours that ICM poll has Yes 8 points ahead http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11092495/Whatever-happens-nothing-will-ever-be-the-same-again.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Tarantula Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Heres the ICM internet poll: http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/icm-put-yes-ahead-perhaps/ Only 705 respondents, but still big enough to be of relevance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/icm-put-yes-ahead-perhaps/ BOOM! Yes - 49% No - 42% DK - 9% Only 700 people though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobite Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/icm-put-yes-ahead-perhaps/ BOOM! Yes - 49% No - 42% DK - 9% Only 700 people though... Well that will be the start of the world wide collapse of the banks and the stock exchange. They'll be jumping off buildings in Wall st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frew Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 ICM call it Yes 54% No 46%: a 8% Yes lead. #indyref Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 What is the ideal number of respondents guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 These polls have usually been a sample of 1000, but still big enough to be of relevance. Wonder how this will be reported on the State organs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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