Big Dod Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I think Yes will win. By a clear margin. There I've said it. I'm still extremely nervous but I think the surge is gathering momentum and is now unstoppable. Seriously what else can they throw at us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Jason Allardyce @SundayTimesSco 24m The bombardment hasn't paid off. Record level of "Yes" support in today's Panelbase poll for Sunday Times. 49.4 v 50.6. Phew! #indyref As soon as that was mentioned on BBC News, the host couldn't shut the newspaper reviewers up quick enough! They're shitting bricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Why does a country need a state broadcaster anyway. Shouldn't all television be subject to the market. In theory it provides a check against a big business controlled media. In theory... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Jason Allardyce @SundayTimesSco 24m The bombardment hasn't paid off. Record level of "Yes" support in today's Panelbase poll for Sunday Times. 49.4 v 50.6. Phew! #indyref Wow. After all that last week it has hardly made a dent. Yet again, amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Wow. After all that last week it has hardly made a dent. Yet again, amazing. Wow. After all that last week it has hardly made a dent. Yet again, amazing. If anything it seems to have pushed some to Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 If anything it seems to have pushed some to Yes. There's been a couple more in my circle since I last spoke to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Why does a country need a state broadcaster anyway. Shouldn't all television be subject to the market. Naw, because it ends up being run by the Murdochs of this world and a non stop run to the lowest common denominator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 The state propaganda machine is run by the governement, what's the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopyhill Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 In an independent Scotland we can have a constitution that forbids monopoly ownership of media outlets. We make rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Naw, because it ends up being run by the Murdochs of this world and a non stop run to the lowest common denominator. Even with a state broadcaster that has already happened. Of all the meetings that cabinet ministers had with News International executives (on average, a member of the cabinet met a Murdoch executive every three days), it is Michael Gove's that are the most eye catching. The Education Secretary listed 11 meetings at which executives from the company were present, including seven with Rupert Murdoch. Gove met the News Corp head more times than any other minister and had dinner with him twice last month. Here's the full list: It all suggests, as Andy Burnham said, a rather strange set of priorities. The shadow education secretary noted that in his first seven months, Gove "didn't manage to visit a single sixth form college, further education college or special school."" http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/07/murdoch-news-education Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal smith Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 YS - 270481 ( 58.5% ) + 0.3% BT - 192016 ( 41.5% ) - 0.3% still increasing on facebook YS - 291,937 ( 59.1% ) +0.6% BT - 202,217 ( 40.9% ) -0.6% still increasing on facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_fadiator Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 YS - 291,937 ( 59.1% ) +0.6% BT - 202,217 ( 40.9% ) -0.6% still increasing on facebook Concern here is the over 65s less likely to participate in this poll. And I also wonder if the numbers include people who don't have a vote, which may push up the 'no' vote as BT get their rUK activists involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Facebook is irrelevant as an accurate gauge of voting intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleboyblue Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 People 65+ represent just 22% of the electorate. I noticed in one recent poll Yes was ahead in every age group except 65+. I guess pollsters weight the results to take account of this the same as they do with previous voting patterns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_fadiator Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 People 65+ represent just 22% of the electorate. I noticed in one recent poll Yes was ahead in every age group except 65+. I guess pollsters weight the results to take account of this the same as they do with previous voting patterns? They should do as polling companies. Point is a facebook poll won't do that so you'd expect 'yes' to be higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleboyblue Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Cheers fadiator, it was a related question, not specifically on the back of the Facebook numbers. I was trying to establish in my mind if its really that much of a problem that we seem to be behind with age 65+ if they only represent 22% of the electorate. I get that they maybe have a higher propensity to vote in regular elections but feel that may be negated a bit in the referendum as overall turnout is likely to be much higher anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 They got to many of them with the drop in pension scare pish I fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_fadiator Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Cheers fadiator, it was a related question, not specifically on the back of the Facebook numbers. I was trying to establish in my mind if its really that much of a problem that we seem to be behind with age 65+ if they only represent 22% of the electorate. I get that they maybe have a higher propensity to vote in regular elections but feel that may be negated a bit in the referendum as overall turnout is likely to be much higher anyway. I'm no expert on polls, but agree the higher the turnout the more chance of the 65+ vote being diluted. It might even be the key determining factor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yeah the main reason the 65+ vote is feared is because they get out and vote when other demographics can't be arsed or become disenchanted. This is not particularly relevant this time as most demographics can be arsed and are super up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobite Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) My old dear at the age of 75 got tore into one of her pals.Telling her she planned to be around for another few years and she had her grand kids to think off thats why she is voting YES. She is currently cutting about with a bag of YES car stickers putting them on bus shelters. Edited September 15, 2014 by Jacobite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_fadiator Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yeah the main reason the 65+ vote is feared is because they get out and vote when other demographics can't be arsed or become disenchanted. This is not particularly relevant this time as most demographics can be arsed and are super up for it. Aye, but obviously if the other age groups end up marginally 'yes' and the +65 2:1 'no' then there's a problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 http://poll.pollcode.com/19139996_result_duplicate >50k 75%yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleboyblue Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Aye, but obviously if the other age groups end up marginally 'yes' and the +65 2:1 'no' then there's a problem... Assuming turnout was the same under and over age 65, it would need to be about 55% Yes for the 'unders' to mitigate the effect of a 2:1 split for the 'overs'. (55% x 78%) + (33% x 22%) = 50.16% Its only one strand of the overall picture, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Facebook is irrelevant as an accurate gauge of voting intentions. As are opinion polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) My old dear at the age of 75 got tore into one of her pals.Telling her she planned to be around for another few years and she had her grand kids to think off thats why she is voting YES. She is currently cutting about with a bag of YES car stickers putting them on bus shelters. Good for her. That's the kind of attitude that is going to win this. I hope you enjoy celebrating with her after we win. Edited September 15, 2014 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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