Killie Vs Rangers

[RenfrewBlue]

36 minutes ago, Scunnered said:

Why don't you come back when you've won one... "Champ".

such spirit!  ? 

[Debian]

20 hours ago, Scunnered said:

We weren't exactly thrilled to see the horde, but not letting you in would have been a step too far.

Me personally? Old Rangers? Sevco? 

BE MORE SPECIFIC!!

[killiefaetheferry]

12 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said:

5-1

1902

 

im pure seething, absolutely livid so I am

 

?????

It's a bit mental when the debate is about whether your diddy team is diddier than my diddy team !

Come on, it could be worse, your team could simply not exist anymore - Third Lanark, Gretna, Glasgow Rangers - all least our diddy teams still exist.

[Debian]

19 minutes ago, killiefaetheferry said:

It's a bit mental when the debate is about whether your diddy team is diddier than my diddy team !

Come on, it could be worse, your team could simply not exist anymore - Third Lanark, Gretna, Glasgow Rangers - all least our diddy teams still exist.

Gretna 2008 

[RenfrewBlue]

Finally watched the highlights of the game and the ref didn't have a good night.

If the foul on Waghorn is a penalty then so is the one on Magennis. Seems pretty obvious to me.

The shirt pull on Miller is as blatant a penalty as you'll get. How he didn't give that is astonishing. 

So he managed 1 out of 3 major decisions right. Just more of the Collumesque reffing that has become the norm foScottish football.

[Toepoke]

Bit of a spat over Rangers' insinuation that the pitch caused Waghorn's injury...

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/kilmarnock/1343348-killie-hit-back-at-rangers-over-ill-informed-pitch-remark/

One of the rare occasions when it's useful to have a legal robot like MJ on the board.

 

[RenfrewBlue]

35 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Bit of a spat over Rangers' insinuation that the pitch caused Waghorn's injury...

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/kilmarnock/1343348-killie-hit-back-at-rangers-over-ill-informed-pitch-remark/

One of the rare occasions when it's useful to have a legal robot like MJ on the board.

 

Laughable comments from Killie. Everyone who's ever played football knows that an astroturf pitch is far less forgiving to fall on. Rangers are correct.

It's quite sad that Killie would get upset by a fact but be quite happy to perpetuate the new club rubbish pre-match. 

Seems like somebody doesn't like getting beat.

[Squirrelhumper]

54 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Bit of a spat over Rangers' insinuation that the pitch caused Waghorn's injury...

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/kilmarnock/1343348-killie-hit-back-at-rangers-over-ill-informed-pitch-remark/

One of the rare occasions when it's useful to have a legal robot like MJ on the board.

 

MJ is spot on. 

Now that hurt saying that. I'm away for a lie down. 

[Squirrelhumper]

20 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said:

Laughable comments from Killie. Everyone who's ever played football knows that an astroturf pitch is far less forgiving to fall on. Rangers are correct.

It's quite sad that Killie would get upset by a fact but be quite happy to perpetuate the new club rubbish pre-match. 

Seems like somebody doesn't like getting beat.

Let's hope he's not out for the season eh? 

That would be such a shame. It really would. 

[Toepoke]

36 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said:

Laughable comments from Killie. Everyone who's ever played football knows that an astroturf pitch is far less forgiving to fall on.

He should've stayed on his feet then!

 

 

[RenfrewBlue]

10 hours ago, Toepoke said:

He should've stayed on his feet then!

 

 

Bit difficult when you're tripped, albeit accidentally, by your opponent. 

I notice neither you nor Squirrelhumper have commented on the actual crux of the issue. Perhaps because you know I'm right?

[Parklife]

16 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said:

11 hours ago, RenfrewBlue said:

Laughable comments from Killie. Everyone who's ever played football knows that an astroturf pitch is far less forgiving to fall on. Rangers are correct.

It's quite sad that Killie would get upset by a fact but be quite happy to perpetuate the new club rubbish pre-match. 

Seems like somebody doesn't like getting beat.

I notice neither you nor Squirrelhumper have commented on the actual crux of the issue. Perhaps because you know I'm right?

I've never played on Rugby Park. What i have played on many times is the Falkirk Stadium, which is an excellent surface and a far cry from most other "astroturf" surfaces, even relatively modern ones like at Stenhousemuir. It is not a normal astroturf, so attempting to equate the Rugby Park one (which, as noted above, has extra shock absorbency and is of an even higher standard) with an "astroturf", is disingenuous. 

I'd also suggest you go an look at some pitches around Scotland just now. I know at Pittodrie the pitch is in a shocking state, with bobbles, bumps and divots all over the surface. At present that pitch is far more likely to cause injury than Rugby Park. 

It'd be better if folk thought about things objectively before posting, rather than becoming entrenched in the "i'll stick up for my team" mindset. 

[Toepoke]

42 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said:

 

I notice neither you nor Squirrelhumper have commented on the actual crux of the issue. Perhaps because you know I'm right?

Not at all. Glasgow Warriors and Munster are going to be diving around on it tonight. Let's see how many get injured and blame the "unforgiving" pitch...

 

 

[Cove_Sheep]

1 hour ago, Parklife said:

I've never played on Rugby Park. What i have played on many times is the Falkirk Stadium, which is an excellent surface and a far cry from most other "astroturf" surfaces, even relatively modern ones like at Stenhousemuir. It is not a normal astroturf, so attempting to equate the Rugby Park one (which, as noted above, has extra shock absorbency and is of an even higher standard) with an "astroturf", is disingenuous. 

I'd also suggest you go an look at some pitches around Scotland just now. I know at Pittodrie the pitch is in a shocking state, with bobbles, bumps and divots all over the surface. At present that pitch is far more likely to cause injury than Rugby Park. 

It'd be better if folk thought about things objectively before posting, rather than becoming entrenched in the "i'll stick up for my team" mindset. 

The only way IMO that it could contribute is from changing from one type of surface to another pretty quickly.

However, that would also apply from going from a firm grass pitch to a heavy grass pitch too.

[wheres the pies]

that will be the 3rd rugby game at rugby park and have not heard of to many injuries them rugger boys are a hardy bunch  but hey they are the ra people always right come to think of it has there been any footballing injuries at rugby park don't think so man up ffs 

[Squirrelhumper]

13 hours ago, RenfrewBlue said:

Laughable comments from Killie. Everyone who's ever played football knows that an astroturf pitch is far less forgiving to fall on. Rangers are correct.

It's quite sad that Killie would get upset by a fact but be quite happy to perpetuate the new club rubbish pre-match. 

Seems like somebody doesn't like getting beat.

Let's hope he's not out for the season eh? 

That would be such a shame. It really would. 

[Squirrelhumper]

I'm not going to admit you are right RB as you are wrong. 

 

[RenfrewBlue]

4 hours ago, Parklife said:

I've never played on Rugby Park. What i have played on many times is the Falkirk Stadium, which is an excellent surface and a far cry from most other "astroturf" surfaces, even relatively modern ones like at Stenhousemuir. It is not a normal astroturf, so attempting to equate the Rugby Park one (which, as noted above, has extra shock absorbency and is of an even higher standard) with an "astroturf", is disingenuous. 

I'd also suggest you go an look at some pitches around Scotland just now. I know at Pittodrie the pitch is in a shocking state, with bobbles, bumps and divots all over the surface. At present that pitch is far more likely to cause injury than Rugby Park. 

It'd be better if folk thought about things objectively before posting, rather than becoming entrenched in the "i'll stick up for my team" mindset. 

I'm not saying you are more likely to get injured on the Rugby Park pitch. Read the actual words.

In this instance with a fall directly onto the surface (which is harder and has less shock absorption than grass, especially at this time of year) you are more like to get hurt.

You're more likely to twist your ankle on some of the ploughed fields masquerading as football pitches, you are right in that respect.

I've played on astroturf of the type used at Rugby Park, on other astroturf of a better quality and on indoor surfaces with special shock absorbers below the floor for basketball and every single one is much harder to fall on than grass. Unless you're talking about the tail end of a scorching summer with no rain. Which we're not.

[theweestevie]

A St Johnstone supporting colleague says that one of their players has been advised by doctors that playing on artificial surfaces could end his career. I can't remember which player he said though, but I will try to find out.

I don't think the artificial pitches cause more injuries than grass pitches. I think they can cause different types of injuries and under different circumstances. I think when people get injured on an artificial surface they are very quick to blame the injury on the pitch, and it is possible that they wouldn't have been injured on a grass pitch, but there will be situations where the opposite is true except nobody will blame the pitch.

I am not sure what type of pitch Killie have but I have played on the Falkirk pitch and I wasn't a big fan. It was good and much better than astroturf pitches but I have played on better artificial surfaces (imo) .

[RenfrewBlue]

4 hours ago, theweestevie said:

A St Johnstone supporting colleague says that one of their players has been advised by doctors that playing on artificial surfaces could end his career. I can't remember which player he said though, but I will try to find out.

I don't think the artificial pitches cause more injuries than grass pitches. I think they can cause different types of injuries and under different circumstances. I think when people get injured on an artificial surface they are very quick to blame the injury on the pitch, and it is possible that they wouldn't have been injured on a grass pitch, but there will be situations where the opposite is true except nobody will blame the pitch.

I am not sure what type of pitch Killie have but I have played on the Falkirk pitch and I wasn't a big fan. It was good and much better than astroturf pitches but I have played on better artificial surfaces (i) .

Its Steven McLean. Because of previous knee injuries and poor shock absorption in all astroturf pitches he has been advised by a specialist not to play on astroturf. 

I think I'd take the medical experts word for it if I were him.

[Squirrelhumper]

5 hours ago, RenfrewBlue said:

Its Steven McLean. Because of previous knee injuries and poor shock absorption in all astroturf pitches he has been advised by a specialist not to play on astroturf. 

I think I'd take the medical experts word for it if I were him.

 Can the belkend with the magic hat not fix in his knee? 

I preferred the old rangers. The reincarnation mope more than Celtic.

[RenfrewBlue]

22 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

 Can the belkend with the magic hat not fix in his knee? 

I preferred the old rangers. The reincarnation mope more than Celtic.

Aw diddums, did the big bad bears dare to criticise your pitch?

Grow a set and have a thought. Have you ever actually played on surfaces like this? Competitive games, not just with your pals?

I know Parkie thinks I've got my blue tinted specs on but he's wrong. I've played on enough pitches to know the difference. 

[Parklife]

On 19/02/2016 at 6:52 PM, RenfrewBlue said:

Because of poor shock absorption in all astroturf pitches

Can you show me some data comparing the "shock absorption" levels on grass and the Rugby Park pitch (or other pitches the same)? 

I'd be interested to see if your opinion is backed on something other than anecdotal evidence. 

[RenfrewBlue]

21 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Can you show me some data comparing the "shock absorption" levels on grass and the Rugby Park pitch (or other pitches the same)? 

I'd be interested to see if your opinion is backed on something other than anecdotal evidence. 

Funnily enough I don't have that data to hand just now. I'm happy to go on my own experience and that of my team mates who have several hundred years experience of playing on all sorts of surfaces. 

And just to make it clear not all of them are old grumpy buggers like me. They range in age from 16 to 55.

The one thing we have all agreed on over the years is that the impact on your body from astroturf is far greater than on a decent, properly maintained grass pitch. 

A couple of the older guys now won't play on certain surfaces because of the back pain and stiffness in their knees caused by this. A couple of the newer pitches are far better than the others.

I was also reading recently that there is an investigation into the carcinogenic chemicals in the rubber crumb used on these newer pitches. Apparently shredded car tyres are involved and the rubber is toxic if consumed. There's now cases in the states of players contracting Hodgkinsons and they are blaming the rubber on astro pitches. That might be an interesting development that's still to be proved one way or the other. 

[Rossy]

Not a fan of artificial pitches, but Killie's and Falkirk's are by far the best in the country. 

Both a million times better than the awful concrete carpet at Hamilton.

As pointed out, Glasgow Warriors played there on Friday night with no ill-effects.