dandydunn Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Tell that to Roy Castle. Also, assuming you're aware of Bradford City. Obviously. I doubt the toilets at Hamden would be going up in flames anytime soon from a fag. You know what I'm getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I have totally knackered lungs...lifelong asthma, ABPA, bronchiectasis & I have a shed load more trouble from smokers in the bogs & vapers in the ground (that's suddenly OK now) than I ever have from any smoky thing being set off. Not saying if it was happening constantly it wouldn't be an issue, but lots of little "harmless" things add up to a much bigger problem in my world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 You could probably control it in the home end...for instance I dont think too many people at Fir Park would be bothered if the end section was allowed smoke bombs and seeing as the family section is the Davie Cooper stand. But no one really wants to do it at home games. It's all about the away games and I dont think that can be controlled effectively so as 'good' as it might look I think it has to be zero tolerance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark frae Crieff Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The only team who should be allowed to use them are: Dundee United .. as that ship is sinking faster than the Titanic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotunited Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Dundee United issued statement regarding flare/ smoke bomb at Friday night game. If they identify the culprits they will be banned from tannadice - so far 5,000 people have come forward asked to be banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark frae Crieff Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Dundee United issued statement regarding flare/ smoke bomb at Friday night game. If they identify the culprits they will be banned from tannadice - so far 5,000 people have come forward asked to be banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts Bankie Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/10490064/Campaign-starts-to-warn-of-dangers-of-fans-using-flares-and-smoke-bombs-in-grounds.html I think the arguments for adding atmosphere, are utter rubbish because how can it add atmosphere when you can't see the thing you're meant to be there to look at - the bloody pitch?! It's an indiscriminate device - it dries the throat, stings the eyes and affects everyone in a stand or terrace; older or young supporters won't want to be amongst that. Also, some flares or bombs generate terrific heat and can burn furiously - from a health perspective alone, while minor, shouldn't be tolerated. It disorientates as well - and in a packed and less than spacious ground, could potentially cause panic. On a short steep terrace - it could cause accidents, and I would argue in some seated grounds that are steep with small legroom (Amsterdam Arena) it could be just as dangerous. Do you have them going off at festivals or concerts? No - you'd have stampedes and chaos. This is isn't Health and Safety gone mad. It's bloody common sense. Imagine if smoke bombs had gone off at the old Hampden with 120,000? Scores would have died. We never had flares or smoke bombs in our football previously - if you want that to be part of your football culture, perhaps you should go and live in Greece. Atmosphere would be better encouraged by having more people in the grounds, encouraging kids and making ticket prices lower so more 'working people' can be there; some of whom may go for a few beers before and have a sing song and make a racket. Too many prawn sandwich punters. Smoking at Hampden - is absolutely appalling and somehow tolerated. There should be a steward in each toilet immediately ejecting anyone from the ground who lights up. For people to even justify this on here is comical - it's illegal to smoke in public places in this country - if you can't hold out for 2 hours, then you should be going to see a GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 and the damage cigarette smoke does to big feathers is nobody's business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFootSoldier Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just don't see the point. Never thought wow...look at the flares. If it's not allowed and people continue, it will just lead to more searches/stewards/fines, more inconvience and possibly cost for everybody. All for stuff like fireworks on the pitch along with those flame thrower things you get at the rugby though. Maybe have a pyro section for those that want to indulge ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Maybe have a pyro section for those that want to indulge ? And the first person to suffer injury will sue the club for actively encouraging it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/10490064/Campaign-starts-to-warn-of-dangers-of-fans-using-flares-and-smoke-bombs-in-grounds.html I think the arguments for adding atmosphere, are utter rubbish because how can it add atmosphere when you can't see the thing you're meant to be there to look at - the bloody pitch?! It's an indiscriminate device - it dries the throat, stings the eyes and affects everyone in a stand or terrace; older or young supporters won't want to be amongst that. Also, some flares or bombs generate terrific heat and can burn furiously - from a health perspective alone, while minor, shouldn't be tolerated. It disorientates as well - and in a packed and less than spacious ground, could potentially cause panic. On a short steep terrace - it could cause accidents, and I would argue in some seated grounds that are steep with small legroom (Amsterdam Arena) it could be just as dangerous. Do you have them going off at festivals or concerts? No - you'd have stampedes and chaos. This is isn't Health and Safety gone mad. It's bloody common sense. Imagine if smoke bombs had gone off at the old Hampden with 120,000? Scores would have died. We never had flares or smoke bombs in our football previously - if you want that to be part of your football culture, perhaps you should go and live in Greece. Atmosphere would be better encouraged by having more people in the grounds, encouraging kids and making ticket prices lower so more 'working people' can be there; some of whom may go for a few beers before and have a sing song and make a racket. Too many prawn sandwich punters. Smoking at Hampden - is absolutely appalling and somehow tolerated. There should be a steward in each toilet immediately ejecting anyone from the ground who lights up. For people to even justify this on here is comical - it's illegal to smoke in public places in this country - if you can't hold out for 2 hours, then you should be going to see a GP. Very good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Pyro's at Lithgae Rose tonight. Chuck them out the cup. Either that or set more off so they can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/10490064/Campaign-starts-to-warn-of-dangers-of-fans-using-flares-and-smoke-bombs-in-grounds.html I think the arguments for adding atmosphere, are utter rubbish because how can it add atmosphere when you can't see the thing you're meant to be there to look at - the bloody pitch?! It's an indiscriminate device - it dries the throat, stings the eyes and affects everyone in a stand or terrace; older or young supporters won't want to be amongst that. Also, some flares or bombs generate terrific heat and can burn furiously - from a health perspective alone, while minor, shouldn't be tolerated. It disorientates as well - and in a packed and less than spacious ground, could potentially cause panic. On a short steep terrace - it could cause accidents, and I would argue in some seated grounds that are steep with small legroom (Amsterdam Arena) it could be just as dangerous. Do you have them going off at festivals or concerts? No - you'd have stampedes and chaos. This is isn't Health and Safety gone mad. It's bloody common sense. Imagine if smoke bombs had gone off at the old Hampden with 120,000? Scores would have died. We never had flares or smoke bombs in our football previously - if you want that to be part of your football culture, perhaps you should go and live in Greece. Atmosphere would be better encouraged by having more people in the grounds, encouraging kids and making ticket prices lower so more 'working people' can be there; some of whom may go for a few beers before and have a sing song and make a racket. Too many prawn sandwich punters. Smoking at Hampden - is absolutely appalling and somehow tolerated. There should be a steward in each toilet immediately ejecting anyone from the ground who lights up. For people to even justify this on here is comical - it's illegal to smoke in public places in this country - if you can't hold out for 2 hours, then you should be going to see a GP. Excellent post ? The atmosphere in football these days has been killed by ridiculously expensive pricing and half empty stadia. The drop in standards and lack of international success (ie qualifying) is also having an impact. Pyros aren't going to make football affordable again nor will they encourage more people through the gates. Scottish football has many challenges and we are not doing the right things to address them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Pyro's at Lithgae Rose tonight. Chuck them out the cup. Either that or set more off so they can see. Smoke bombs, weirdly smoke without fire for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Do you have them going off at festivals or concerts? No - you'd have stampedes and chaos. I assume you have just said that with no actual facts because it sounds good. First song of Courteeners set in (packed) Tuts at TITP this year saw approx 5/6 flares and 4 smoke bombs, that I noticed. Not 19 Forever had at least equal numbers. Flares all through Kasabisn set. Even a flare in Tuts when Proclaimers were doing Sunshine On Leith. TITP has had flares at it on a very regular basis for at least last 5 years, if not more. Glasgow Green had lots of smoke bombs and flares during Stone Roses. Funnily enough no stampedes or chaos at any of these events. I did wonder how stewards would deal with them, especially in packed tents as person holding would be quite reachable. They ended up walking into crowd and then taking finished flare and walking back out with it as had it finished burning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Smoke bombs, weirdly smoke without fire for once. Nah, there was a flare thrown onto the track. The smokebomb boy went a bit far I'd say. Invading the pitch and then chucking it back into the stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Nah, there was a flare thrown onto the track. The smokebomb boy went a bit far I'd say. Invading the pitch and then chucking it back into the stand. Damage done to the pitch as well, I heard it was Bo'nessers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Damage done to the pitch as well, I heard it was Bo'nessers. The club president was on TV saying he didn't recognise any of them. I'd imagine at clubs like that, the folk running it would know most of the folk personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The club president was on TV saying he didn't recognise any of them. I'd imagine at clubs like that, the folk running it would know most of the folk personally. Dunno if same interview but at end of the highlights here, gives an interview, sounds devastated to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts Bankie Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I assume you have just said that with no actual facts because it sounds good. First song of Courteeners set in (packed) Tuts at TITP this year saw approx 5/6 flares and 4 smoke bombs, that I noticed. Not 19 Forever had at least equal numbers. Flares all through Kasabisn set. Even a flare in Tuts when Proclaimers were doing Sunshine On Leith. TITP has had flares at it on a very regular basis for at least last 5 years, if not more. Glasgow Green had lots of smoke bombs and flares during Stone Roses. Funnily enough no stampedes or chaos at any of these events. I did wonder how stewards would deal with them, especially in packed tents as person holding would be quite reachable. They ended up walking into crowd and then taking finished flare and walking back out with it as had it finished burning. Never done TITP - but Reading and Glastonbury and numerous others; never seen anything. Mainly because, a bit of dry ice aside on stage - you wouldn't be able to see the gig. Why pay £150 to go to see your favourite band headline and you can;t see them because some twat has been to an Army and Navy surplus store? Not saying what I say because it sounds good at all. Saying it because I believe that in certain cases it could cause an issue - in a venue that is not policed/stewarded well or it's very busy, or there are also strobe lighting and it's disorientating. There were deaths in Spain about 2 years ago when some kids died at a venue when a flare was set off and they stampeded for the only exit. Poor H&S in place made it worse, but people do panic. By your tone, are you suggesting pyros in the crowd at a football or concert are a good thing? Just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFootSoldier Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 And the first person to suffer injury will sue the club for actively encouraging it. Not sure, just to keep them away from those who have no interest. Part of me thinks it may be possible to manage an area safely and the bigger part of me doesn't want them there. Don't actually see what the add to atmosphere. Always a concern they could be lobbed over a fence into the home/away support too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You go to watch something and some absolute ####wit brings smoke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The SFA, clubs and courts should get together and start banning people for life from all Sporting events. Once the first few bans are handed out this will probably end it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Banning people for life from all football matches sounds fine in principle, but how do they do it in practice? Without having some incredibly sophisticated system, how can every club/ground know who is on the banned list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 2dafties lifted for linlithgow outrage . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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