the_burger Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I don't see how Corbyn can survive long term. His party MPs are constantly undermining him. Thinking the same Would be a phyrric victory for the MPs trying to shaft him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The Labour Party sold its soul to the devil when they sucked on Tony's putrid wang. Corbyn is their hilarious attempt to get a full refund and their soul back. Aye good luck with lads. He'll be lucky to see out Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Thinking the same Would be a phyrric victory for the MPs trying to shaft him though. They'd lose so many young voters if and when it happens. Still those MPs are more interested in the swing voters, deluded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 corbyn is not the convulsions of a new birth, he is the death throes of an old dying corrupt animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The Labour Party sold its soul to the devil when they sucked on Tony's putrid wang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The Labour Party sold its soul to the devil when they sucked on Tony's putrid wang. Corbyn is their hilarious attempt to get a full refund and their soul back. Aye good luck with lads. He'll be lucky to see out Christmas. The first part is spot on. The second part is silly. Corbyn is result of a campaign to reclaim the party. I've seen nothing so far to discourage me from the task at hand despite the right wing sneering. It's a wondrous time to be alive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The first part is spot on. The second part is silly. Corbyn is result of a campaign to reclaim the party. I've seen nothing so far to discourage me from the task at hand despite the right wing sneering. It's a wondrous time to be alive The left wing grassroots is all and good but it is nowhere near enough for Corbyn to get anywhere near Government The MSM are doing everything they can to destroy him - McTernan has never been on TV or Radio as much since the referendum It's as much incessant as it is insidious The Labour party not only need moderates on their side but also those that they lost to UKIP and going by the polling on this upcoming by election that looks unlikely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The sneering left took a vow with sneering right in September last year. They also contributed greatly to salmond be vilified in the press for years and years. Oh boo boo poor Jeremy. Maybe if the left had acted with a grain of integrity over the years I would actually care about Corbin and his imminent media assassination. Still just remember as they bury socialism once and for all in the UK, you are better together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The sneering left took a vow with sneering right in September last year. They also contributed greatly to salmond be vilified in the press for years and years. Oh boo boo poor Jeremy. Maybe if the left had acted with a grain of integrity over the years I would actually care about Corbin and his imminent media assassination. Still just remember as they bury socialism once and for all in the UK, you are better together. I love you too Plinthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If this turns out to be true Labour will never get my vote again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If this turns out to be true Labour will never get my vote again. Like you ever would have anyway. Also, reactionary again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 So corbyns just an empty suit then? Won't last long. The labour slide continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The SNP under Salmond called a referendum at the first chance they had despite no poll anywhere showing a majority of support for it. That is the very definition of what is called standing up for your beliefs and seeing through on what you promised. Corbyn on the other hand has been around for 10 minutes and he has poofed out of every major principle he has ever been tested on. Independence v 'Socialism'. No contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The first part is spot on. The second part is silly. Corbyn is result of a campaign to reclaim the party. I've seen nothing so far to discourage me from the task at hand despite the right wing sneering. It's a wondrous time to be alive In terms of reclaiming the party, yes, there is a majority of members backing Corbyn's politics, but what is lost is that its Labour voters that need to be brough on side. With there being little chance for any person beating Corbyn in a vote on the leadership, real chance of Labour splitting if Corbyn hangs onto the leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Corbyn on the other hand has been around for 10 minutes and he has poofed out of every major principle he has ever been tested on. no need for that when you can simply just say he has shat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 no need for that when you can simply just say he has shat it. ach dont be so straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 And listen up because here is my observation. The Labour party claims to be brothers, socialists, united across borders, transcending national borders... While the reality of the the SNP is it is politically diverse with left wingers and middle wingers and Flora & Charlie... no one could agree on the colour of shite really, beyond one important thing. Yet we are one small force crouched down with shields up. While you a political power still (comrades) yet you are ripping each other apart like a bunch of fannies and letting Dave ride us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 And listen up because here is my observation. The Labour party claims to be brothers, socialists, united across borders, transcending national borders... While the reality of the the SNP is it is politically diverse with left wingers and middle wingers and Flora & Charlie... no one could agree on the colour of shite really, beyond one important thing. Yet we are one small force crouched down with shields up. While you a political power still (comrades) yet you are ripping each other apart like a bunch of fannies and letting Dave ride us all. A very good point I don't buy Corbyn and McDonnells line that it's debate and isn't division. Dissent is important in political parties, not just important but absolutely essential, it was essential when the right were in power of the Labour party and it's important now the left are. As I've said ad nauseam is that Corbyn is in the process of moving power from the PLP to the membership, this takes time and once completed will be the most important political move in my short life. My observation though. Last week Sturgeon said the SNP would listen to Cameron and would support Airstrikes if they were backed by the UN... Not one SNP Parliamentarian spoke out... This week Sturgeon said the SNP would not back airstrikes and not one SNP parliamentarian spoke out. That's creepy as . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 My observation though. Last week Sturgeon said the SNP would listen to Cameron and would support Airstrikes if they were backed by the UN... Not one SNP Parliamentarian spoke out... This week Sturgeon said the SNP would not back airstrikes and not one SNP parliamentarian spoke out. That's creepy as ######. You are trying to suggest there's been a shift in the SNP's position. Unless a chapter seven resolution has been passed and I've missed it there hasn't. Corbyn's a complete joke, the first opportunity he had to do something he ####s it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 You are trying to suggest there's been a shift in the SNP's position. Unless a chapter seven resolution has been passed and I've missed it there hasn't. Corbyn's a complete joke, the first opportunity he had to do something he ######s it up. It was Lose/lose I think If he had whipped the party they would have just ignored him and Cameron would have got enough votes to bomb Syria anyway with the net result that Corbyns own position would have been critically weakened. And, all of those who voted against the whip would have dined out for months on "Corbyn not being able to control the party". I think its for that reason that Mcdonnell even urged giving a free vote. The only chance he has of winning these situations is to get a PLP which better reflects the party rank and file and that will take time.....time the PLP dont want to give him. Whipping the party in this situation would have been tactically inept and would have been a gift to the Blairytes and Tories and Syria would have been bombed anyway. I suspect he was being lured into a trap when the tories began suggesting he could stop a war in Syria if the party was whipped. There are just now point picking battles you know you will lose and I dont think this will cost him the movement which developed in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 To be fair what the other dozen (?roughly?) countries bombing Syria lack which we do not is our explosions will be GREAT BRITAIN explosions which will have a drastically more positive outcome than foreign explosions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 To be fair what the other dozen (?roughly?) countries bombing Syria lack which we do not is our explosions will be GREAT BRITAIN explosions which will have a drastically more positive outcome than foreign explosions. Ah, but the British Brimstone missiles are so much more accurate than any others. I'll remember that for the first hospital or school we take out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Ah, but the British Brimstone missiles are so much more accurate than any others. I'll remember that for the first hospital or school we take out. Funny they have been brought to the fore recently in the argument for bombing - never heard of them before. They can take a man out in a car, you know. Aside from that, the sight of the Bitter Together 2nd team making a James Hunt of absolutely everything is a sight to behold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Pretty tragic that the Opposition are yet again failing to oppose, or reflect half the country who don't want air strikes - OK Ok to be fair, Labour are reflecting half the country who don't know what the best course is I wonder though if any lefties will start to turn on JC, if it turns out their great hope turns out to be a bit rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I wonder though if any lefties will start to turn on JC, if it turns out their great hope turns out to be a bit rubbish Reaction seems to be along the same lines as mine so far, disappointment but understanding. I doubt the massive number of lefties within the Labour membership are under any illusions on the task that the Great one faces. Any dissenting voices from within the party progressives will be reactionary and from those who don't really understand how the world works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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