Damo Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not really a surprise but by God it shows what the Yes campaign has been up against. Every facet of the MSM (sunday herald excepted) is against them and yet still polls are almost neck and neck. Just imagine how far in front Yes would have been with a compliant media. It actually gets me down that none of them can see why, according to polls, approx half the country is voting Yes and goes " you know what they have a point". Britain was broken, Gordon Brown was a fool et. Etc. how quickly their tone changes when their wee London cabal is threatened. The only thing giving me hope is the daily record and Sun front pages on election day 2007 and how despite that the SNP still won out. This seems to be on a different level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not really a surprise but by God it shows what the Yes campaign has been up against. Every facet of the MSM (sunday herald excepted) is against them and yet still polls are almost neck and neck. Just imagine how far in front Yes would have been with a compliant media. It actually gets me down that none of them can see why, according to polls, approx half the country is voting Yes and goes " you know what they have a point". Britain was broken, Gordon Brown was a fool et. Etc. how quickly their tone changes when their wee London cabal is threatened. The only thing giving me hope is the daily record and Sun front pages on election day 2007 and how despite that the SNP still won out. This seems to be on a different level Couldn't agree more. People don't realise that a no vote is not going to bring back the status quo, things have changed, Independence is coming one way or the other. Get out there early on polling day and cover every village, town and city with saltires and show the press what they're up against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 The Daily Mail is coming out for Yes. Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Guardian are establishment, they buried stories about police and security services in the past, stuff that's only came out later especially with the met. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoltanBuchan Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Precisely. For all its supposedly left-wing 'anti-establishment' posturing, The Guardian (along with, for example, Ian Hislop) is firmly in favour of the (London top-heavy) status quo. how quickly their tone changes when their wee London cabal is threatened. Guardian are establishment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Really surprised about that. Their twitter output has been pretty pro Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Really surprised about that. Their twitter output has been pretty pro Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Used to read the Guardian, grown increasingly disenchanted with it. No surprises that it's for status quo as far as the union is concerned. Doesn't worry me, think it's a views are a bit of an irrelevance, can't see anyone voting No cos of their views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Would the Guardian or the Scotsman shape any opinion anyway? No doubts at all they would both come out for No, but the Guardian is an irrelevance in Scotland and the Hootsman is shipping readers every year. You would imagine that must readers of these have already formed their view on which way to vote. As much as Murdoch's a chancer, his Tweets (if you can understand them through the either wine/cryptic tones) is pro-Indepdendence. Will the Sun come out? Or just keep a soft 'Yes' view as they are the now without coming out as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Really surprised about that. Their twitter output has been pretty pro Yes.Is that pro union by Edd's standards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Guardian are establishment, they buried stories about police and security services in the past, stuff that's only came out later especially with the met. Deeply establishment, Kernie used to have a special loathing of them for good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 The Guardian? The Guardian who backed the Lib Dems at the last election, aye? Bothered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Deeply establishment, Kernie used to have a special loathing of them for good reason.It wasn't until they destroyed the wikileaks stuff that I got suspicious of them. Since then I've read other stories about them and agreed they are total establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Beano coming for No I hear. Bet Rossy cancels his subscription. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) The Guardian declares. "There can be no place today for the ugly nationalism" http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/12/guardian-view-scottish-independence On the same page, and advert for "Steve Bell's Alex Salmond squeeezy stress figure, emulating Marilyn Monroe's famous 'air-vent pose' " (revealing an English flag under his kilt.) This seems not to be a spoof. In case it's removed, it may be ordered here: http://entertainment.guardianoffers.co.uk/i-cc-1119-nae/salmondsqueezy-g/?INTCMP=mic_233690&guni=Resource:promo%20Steve%20Bell%20offers:Trail%20with%20image%20on%20side%20%28from%20named%20trailblock%29 Edited September 12, 2014 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 The Guardian declares. "There can be no place today for the ugly nationalism" http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/12/guardian-view-scottish-independence On the same page, and advert for "Steve Bell's Alex Salmond squeeezy stress figure, emulating Marilyn Monroe's famous 'air-vent pose' " (revealing an English flag under his kilt.) This seems not to be a spoof. In case it's removed, it may be ordered here: http://entertainment.guardianoffers.co.uk/i-cc-1119-nae/salmondsqueezy-g/?INTCMP=mic_233690&guni=Resource:promo%20Steve%20Bell%20offers:Trail%20with%20image%20on%20side%20%28from%20named%20trailblock%29 It's amazing how many folk just don't get it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 p.s. One good thing about the Guardian: Libby Brooks has done some good reporting up and down the country over the weeks. She is the only London-based media outlet that I can think of that has reported on the state of the grassroots presence on the ground... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 George Monbiot has had a couple of cracking articles in it as well - very pro Indy - not to mention Russell Brand Surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 All the papers, the TV stations, the big corporate media companies are going to back No. MI5 & Mi6 are going to back No The BBC is NoNoC. Any institution with the word British in it or UK wants to politically decapitate us right now. USA NATO EU UK All the media (Compliant) British Corporations All opposition UK political parties The fukking Queen (bless you mam) and all her kockucking minions This list is endless... the deeper you go... We have no friends now. We are in the deep wilderness between two worlds. Only if we have the giant swaying balls to assert our identity will we see the other side of this and all these enemies will disappear. If we capitulate to bullies we will regret it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I'm glad you're back thplinth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I'm glad you're back thplinth! Have to say, me too. I missed his viscous anti-establishment rants. Phart is good at it too, but thplinth just has a certain panache in his writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Viscous? WTF! It's not a treacle rant, vicious even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotsgary1 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 All the papers, the TV stations, the big corporate media companies are going to back No. MI5 & Mi6 are going to back No The BBC is NoNoC. Any institution with the word British in it or UK wants to politically decapitate us right now. USA NATO EU UK All the media (Compliant) British Corporations All opposition UK political parties The fukking Queen (bless you mam) and all her kockucking minions This list is endless... the deeper you go... We have no friends now. We are in the deep wilderness between two worlds. Only if we have the giant swaying balls to assert our identity will we see the other side of this and all these enemies will disappear. If we capitulate to bullies we will regret it. Without any doubt in my mind the most accurate and informed post on this website. Good on ya mate for posting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BremnerLorimerGray Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 All the papers, the TV stations, the big corporate media companies are going to back No. MI5 & Mi6 are going to back No The BBC is NoNoC. Any institution with the word British in it or UK wants to politically decapitate us right now. USA NATO EU UK All the media (Compliant) British Corporations All opposition UK political parties The fukking Queen (bless you mam) and all her kockucking minions This list is endless... the deeper you go... We have no friends now. We are in the deep wilderness between two worlds. Only if we have the giant swaying balls to assert our identity will we see the other side of this and all these enemies will disappear. If we capitulate to bullies we will regret it. In the event of Yes, it's time to start cosying up to Putin and China and maybe even Iran, just to really annoy the kvnts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) George Monbiot has had a couple of cracking articles in it as well - very pro Indy - not to mention Russell Brand Surprised Very much my feelings too - I was even using a Monbiot article to try and persuade an undecided today. For that reason I would have expected it to remain neutral. Then again, maybe it isn't so surprising. The paper has been firmly part of the British establishment for years now. It is the paper of choice for people who want to appear left-wing and anti-establishment without actually being left-wing and anti-establishment. The Guardian - the New Labour of newspapers. All the papers, the TV stations, the big corporate media companies are going to back No. MI5 & Mi6 are going to back No The BBC is NoNoC. Any institution with the word British in it or UK wants to politically decapitate us right now. USA NATO EU UK All the media (Compliant) British Corporations All opposition UK political parties The fukking Queen (bless you mam) and all her kockucking minions This list is endless... the deeper you go... We have no friends now. We are in the deep wilderness between two worlds. Only if we have the giant swaying balls to assert our identity will we see the other side of this and all these enemies will disappear. If we capitulate to bullies we will regret it. He's back and he's bad! Edited September 12, 2014 by scotlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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