mariokempes56 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Never mind the BBC have a nice wee Royal story to cheer us all up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Greece needed time for their version of the Record to prepare a vow from Germany and Brussels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Wonder if the oxi vote would have held up if it was subjected to months of scare stories? Something to think about for the next Indy vote Completely ignoring the fact that in the referendum last year, The starting point for Yes was about 30% and the gap consistently narrowed until polling day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Completely ignoring the fact that in the referendum last year, The starting point for Yes was about 30% and the gap consistently narrowed until polling day. I was meaning more about the next one assuming that it might be 50 / 50 or hopefully yes ahead when campaigning starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Things i've noticed recently and reinforced by Andrew Neil on Politics Sunday today 1 -The BBC are desperate for The Greeks to be seen at fault, want them to vote Yes and want them to suffer more austerity so that it encourages Osborne to do the same 2 - Want to bomb Syria Chris Morris was quite fair earlier - he said that if they are burdened with the debt repayments they'll not be able to invest in their economy to create growth, making it impossible to pay the debt back. They would be trapped in a viscious circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Can only assume Michelle Mone is leaving Athens now because of the no vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Hope Greeks have voted No because that is where there is some hope of things turning around. Expect it will be similar to our referendum with older voters, the ones who have gained the most, cowed by fear and voting for more austerity. The bail-out was always about protecting the lender banks with German and French having huge exposure to a Greek default. Greece is the weakest link in a collateral chain already stretched and if broken who knows the financial damage to countries and institutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Can only assume Michelle Mone is leaving Athens now because of the no vote Her removal firm must be on permanent standby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I was meaning more about the next one assuming that it might be 50 / 50 or hopefully yes ahead when campaigning starts Most polls I've seen since the referendum show support for independence hovering between the mid 40s and low 50s. Basically, little difference from the actual vote. Since EVEL and the failure of the SNP to get any of their amendments to the Scotland Bill made, there is a clamour among some Yes supporters for indyref2. Although a starting point of c.45% Yes is a much better trajectory than c.30% Yes (like last time) now is still far to soon to go again. In fact, unless issues like currency and pensions are addressed more robustly, it will always be too soon to go again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Most Greeks have made an art of avoiding taxes. They still want the funding from Europe though. Just as long as they don't pay it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Most Greeks have made an art of avoiding taxes. Any source for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Any source for this? Scunnereds big book of countries and stereotypes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbruman Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I was listening to John Pienaar on five live this morning and his guests. Comments were very anti -left as if it was a disease. Only dissenting voice was that of Jeremy Corbyn who is anti-austerity . Corbyn a breath of fresh air in a sad Labour party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Any source for this? Phil the Greek. And he should know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Scunnereds big book of countries and stereotypes Haha not a tamb bestseller from what I can see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Never mind the BBC have a nice wee Royal story to cheer us all up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Any source for this?For businesses it does seem pretty much optional. Over the last few months it has got worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) Greece best position is to leave the Euro and go it alone. It will be better in the long run .Respect to the Germans. They take some amount of abuse from the Greeks but the Greeks want their money. "Tax evasion and corruption is a problem in Greece. Tax evasion has been described by Greek politicians as "a national sport"—with up to €30 billion per year going uncollected.[3 Edited July 5, 2015 by EddardStark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) Chris Morris was quite fair earlier - he said that if they are burdened with the debt repayments they'll not be able to invest in their economy to create growth, making it impossible to pay the debt back. They would be trapped in a viscious circle. ive been watching BBC News 24. There are some fair journos but the bias towards Yes has been incredible Most Greeks have made an art of avoiding taxes. They still want the funding from Europe though. Just as long as they don't pay it back. Greece best position is to leave the Euro and go it alone. It will be better in the long run .Respect to the Germans. They take some amount of abuse from the Greeks but the Greeks want their money. "Tax evasion and corruption is a problem in Greece. Tax evasion has been described by Greek politicians as "a national sport"—with up to €30 billion per year going uncollected.[3 You would think with all the information out there about the Greek situation - ignorant comments like this would be less The Government put the UK tax gap as £30 billion. PCS state its more likely to be £120 billion Edited July 5, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Isn't the Greek debt less than the RBS bailout? Obviously there's a lot of problems with tax evasion etc but constant threats and forcing austerity isn't going to work, they need space to grow their economy and the government have a mandate to deliver their policies. Hopefully the powers that be allow this to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Wings Over Scotland @WingsScotland 8m8 minutes ago Bankers outraged that Greece might be treated like the banks were when THEY went catastrophically mega-bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Isn't the Greek debt less than the RBS bailout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_burger Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Might transpire to be a token gesture, but I am delighted for ordinary Greek people. Wish we had the same resolve last year. And to think, in England they effectively voted for more austerity at the GE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 That's slightly misrepresenting things though. The banks have paid nearly all of that back now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 For businesses it does seem pretty much optional. Over the last few months it has got worse. Bull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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