Jermy Corbyn

[scotlad]

I want independence, what I don't want is independence via a scorched earth policy enacted by a Conservative Government and with a complicit Labour Party. I don't particularly want us to get independence after we (and the rest of the UK) have our public assets stripped, our NHS privatised, our welfare state destroyed and a generation of young people thrown to the dogs.

This.

Most of all, I want Scotland to be a better place. In my view, independence is the best way of achieving that. However, that route has been blocked - for the time being.

In the meantime, I don't want Scotland to end up in a position where it won't even be worth our while going for independence. In my opinion, the Tory/New Labour approach isn't working; time to try something else.

[Ally Bongo]

Second poll puts Corbyn ahead by nearly 20%: Corbyn 42% Cooper 22.6% Burnham 20% Kendall 14%

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-opens-up-massive-6154187#ICID=sharebar_twitter

[Ally Bongo]

I want independence, what I don't want is independence via a scorched earth policy enacted by a Conservative Government and with a complicit Labour Party. I don't particularly want us to get independence after we (and the rest of the UK) have our public assets stripped, our NHS privatised, our welfare state destroyed and a generation of young people thrown to the dogs.

I dont think there is anyone that will disagree but it would seem the only way Scotland will wake up and realise there might be an alternative is for this to happen.

The other way is for Scotland to be doing well economically with the "extra powers" that are devolved and we know that

1 We wont get them

2 Westminster wont allow that

They are already setting the trap in motion for the SNP to become unpopular by making them raise taxes to cancel out the cuts

Edited July 28, 2015 by Ally Bongo

[Ally Bongo]

What is it wae folk from Aberdeen ?

[northernscum]

What is it wae folk from Aberdeen ?

That's nowhere near Aberdeen!

EDIT I assume you mean the Kendall nomination!

Edited July 28, 2015 by northernscum

[Auld_Reekie]

Remarkably, race much tighter in Scotland than England. Corbyn only one ahead in Scotland.

[DaveyDenoon]

Good lord

Some of you actually DO go about with your fingers in your ears and a saltire wrapped round your head.

Or alternatively some people may just have a different opinion than you but don't see the need to launch into poor attempts at ridicule....

[Scunnered]

Or alternatively some people may just have a different opinion than you but don't see the need to launch into poor attempts at ridicule....

You stated it as fact squire, not opinion

[Toepoke]

Remarkably, race much tighter in Scotland than England. Corbyn only one ahead in Scotland.

That's coz all the natural Corbyn supporters are now in the SNP....

[DaveyDenoon]

You stated it as fact squire, not opinion

Did I? I'm not sure my or anyone else's political view/opinion can be presented as fact. Certainly was not my intention to present that as fact but it is my strong belief that the Tartan Tory term has no basis in truth and my equally strong belief that Red Tory to describe many individuals within the Labour Party movement most certainly does.

However I could and would never argue or present that to be an indisputable fact in just the same way that nobody with a diametrically opposing view could argue or present their belief to be fact either.

?

[Ally Bongo]

The Tartan Tories myth was dreamt up by Labour in the 70s

It was really around 2 things

They wanted everyone to see them as the direct opposite of the Tories and therefore anyone not Labour was a Tory

Then they used the lie that it was the SNP who were responsible for Thatcher getting into power in 1979

And that was it

Anything else was based on pure speculation of what an SNP Government would do if they held power - something that they thought would never be tested.

It's still never been tested within the confinements of devolution however as far as i'm aware they have not acted like any Tory Government past or present and if they did pre or post independence they wouldnt last very long.

Now - as for the Red Tories

John Rentoul was on Newsnight last night

John Rentoul as well as being seen as a labour leaning journalist, was an admirer of Tony Blair and wrote his biography.

He stated last night that in the run up to the General Election he seen himself closer to David Cameron than Ed Miliband and regards Liz Kendall as the best candidate to replace him.

So there is the perfect example of how far "New Labour" have come and his beliefs are clearly reflected in differring degrees by Burnham, Cooper and Kendall.

The interview was also a great example of how the BBC agenda works.

Whilst they had the eloquent anti Corbyn Rentoul in the studio they had a video link to Derek Hatton in Liverpool where Evan Davis spent most of his initial questions to Hatton not about Corbyn but whether Hatton was now a property developer.

This was a clear strategy of immediately trying to discredit Hatton by making him out to be a champagne socialist

Edited July 28, 2015 by Ally Bongo

[Toepoke]

"Corbyn set to storm to Labour leadership"...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13504809.Corbyn_set_to_storm_to_Labour_leadership__according_to_private_polling/

[Parklife]

"Corbyn set to storm to Labour leadership"...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13504809.Corbyn_set_to_storm_to_Labour_leadership__according_to_private_polling/

He'll lose.

[Bino's]

clips were shown on the news and newsnight yesterday of Corbin but not actually broadcasting any audible words

meanwhile andy burnham was given a platform to spout

media machine now getting into overdrive

[DaveyDenoon]

The media machine will do everything in its power to ensure that ABC (anyone but Corbyn) becomes Labour leader.

Once they have a guaranteed Tory or Tory-esque government in place they'll have done their job.

Edited July 29, 2015 by DaveyDenoon

[scotlad]

He'll lose.

I reckon Cooper might get the gig.

[Toepoke]

I reckon Cooper might get the gig.

[Toepoke]

He'll lose.

Hoovering up the union votes now...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33707321

[BigBearScot]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/sebastian-payne/2015/07/john-mcternan-on-labour-leader-who-cares-about-the-grassroots/

McTernan is clearly not a fan.

"in the unlikely event Corbyn wins, there is something is done swiftly and quickly to restore the party to its sense."

[ParisInAKilt]

If McTernan wants to ensure Corbyn loses he should just offer to run his leadership campaign. Simples.

[ParisInAKilt]

McTernan describes Corbyns popularity as a strange psychological emotional spasm, which he believes is grief-related because so many people believed Labour were going to win this election

People believed Labour would win?

Serial loser McTernan really is out of touch

[Flora MaDonald]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/sebastian-payne/2015/07/john-mcternan-on-labour-leader-who-cares-about-the-grassroots/

McTernan is clearly not a fan.

"in the unlikely event Corbyn wins, there is something is done swiftly and quickly to restore the party to its sense."

He'll win then.

[Stapes]

If that post is genuine... And I fear it is, you're absolutely everything that's wrong with politics in Scotland. Have a word with yourself.

Strong leftish Labour Party = strongish union

Weak right wing Labour Party = inevitable independence

And therein lies my motivation. I would love to see Corbyn as the leader of Labour. But if that is going to damage the independence movement then I personally wouldn't vote for him. Added to that is the fact that regardless is the left candidate (Corbyn) gains power, or the right candidate (Kendall) it will make not one iota of difference to the lives of people in this country.

Do you think for a second that if the SNP had the same ridiculous election rules that the Labour Party wouldn't be encouraging their supporters to vote for the candidate that will most weaken the SNP? Of course they would. That's politics. It's naive to think otherwise.

[Scunnered]

Strong leftish Labour Party = strongish union

Weak right wing Labour Party = inevitable independence

And therein lies my motivation. I would love to see Corbyn as the leader of Labour. But if that is going to damage the independence movement then I personally wouldn't vote for him. Added to that is the fact that regardless is the left candidate (Corbyn) gains power, or the right candidate (Kendall) it will make not one iota of difference to the lives of people in this country.

Do you think for a second that if the SNP had the same ridiculous election rules that the Labour Party wouldn't be encouraging their supporters to vote for the candidate that will most weaken the SNP? Of course they would. That's politics. It's naive to think otherwise.

You can try to justify your thought process all you want by saying "it won't make a difference to people's lives", but you don't believe it yourself otherwise you wouldn't care who the Labour leader was for fear of damaging the Independence campaign.

You're nothing but Nationalism at any cost. The kind of person who puts undecided voters off the idea.

[Stapes]

You can try to justify your thought process all you want by saying "it won't make a difference to people's lives", but you don't believe it yourself otherwise you wouldn't care who the Labour leader was for fear of damaging the Independence campaign.

You're nothing but Nationalism at any cost. The kind of person who puts undecided voters off the idea.

No, I truly don't think it will make a difference to people's lives. It may damage the independence movement because the gullible will believe Labour is moving back to its roots, and they will believe that a better future is just around the corner next time Labour are elected (just as they did with Blair).

And you do realise there's a difference between Nationalism and Independence yes? Given that I don't think you would identify yourself as a nationalist, I think you do. I'm not embarrassed to say I want Independence at all costs. Because that cost isn't going to change much be it the Conservatives or Labour in power. Corbyn, if he somehow becomes PM might make a small difference but the establishment would soon put a stop to any radical ideas, so we'd be back where we started. Independence is the only far-reaching solution to the ills of this country. And when I say 'this country', I don't just mean Scotland.