Toepoke Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 I got a lift home from Prestwick Airport last month and didn't notice the junctions had been replaced. There's two new flyovers as you pass Symington. Replaced the old crossroad junctions which were deathtraps, especially before the 50mph cameras were installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I think he means south past Perth. The Perth to Dunblane stretch. As it is dual carriageway all of that bit it isn't really needed and not sure why they continued it that far south. Maybe they are trying to encourage folk to stick to the speed limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 That's a bit of a novel idea ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Maybe they are trying to make some extra funds?Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Yes but id rather folk didnt drive like twats and i could continue to drive at a decent speed and not hsve to sit at 60/70 when its not needed. Yeah, cos driving at 80 on the A9 isn't being a twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Yeah, cos driving at 80 on the A9 isn't being a twat.Correct. There's vast sections of the A9 where 80mph is a perfectly safe speed to drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Yes but id rather folk didnt drive like twats and i could continue to drive at a decent speed and not hsve to sit at 60/70 when its not needed. I think most drivers think they are fine but a lot of others are twats. It's clearly saving lives and avoiding crashes so even if it increases journeys times then I'm 100% in favour. This road clearly needs improvement though for all sorts of reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Correct. There's vast sections of the A9 where 80mph is a perfectly safe speed to drive. Not really. The more you increase you speed the greater the risk even on an empty road (albeit much less in that case). What about different weather conditions, road surfaces etc ? The real twats are those who regularly take risks on the road thinking they are fine and everyone else is a bad/reckless driver. If people want to injure or kill themselves then fine, let them but accidents often involve others. So it takes a bit longer and you lose a few minutes - so what? It's worth it IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Other drivers are twats but when I speed it's okay. Nothing wrong with speeding when its sensible. The twats are the onrs that cut in and out of 20 odd cars just to sit at the head of the que behund a lorry instead of waiting for dual carriage ways. The A9 is a great road and i love driving it. I dont love having to sit at 70 when there is all else on the road. People who think speeding in itself is bad are probably peoole who drive at 20 when theres a wee bit of rain or the temp drops below 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Correct. There's vast sections of the A9 where 80mph is a perfectly safe speed to drive. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Nothing wrong with speeding when its sensible. The twats are the onrs that cut in and out of 20 odd cars just to sit at the head of the que behund a lorry instead of waiting for dual carriage ways. The A9 is a great road and i love driving it. I dont love having to sit at 70 when there is ###### all else on the road. People who think speeding in itself is bad are probably peoole who drive at 20 when theres a wee bit of rain or the temp drops below 10. What's stopping you driving at over 70 if you want to? Just go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 What's stopping you driving at over 70 if you want to? Just go for it.Getting a fine mainly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 They did a similar thing on the A77 between Kilmarnock and Prestwick, actually reduced the speed limit to 50mph as well, which made a hugh difference. The old junctions there have since been replaced with split level interchanges and I have heard that the speed cameras are subsequently going to be switched off. I was in fact googling for details on when they're going to switch them off when I came across the A9 story yesterday. The plan was to change the limit back to 70 since the dangerous junctions have now been eliminated - however the 'speed kills' propaganda machine instantly jumped on it, so I'm not sure if its still on track. Also, allegedly, if you believe the stories, that area was one of the few stretches of the A77 where the average speed cameras are actually active. So if they did put the 70 limit back you could argue you could do away with the average speed cameras. But then that would cause a massive uproar too so I'm guessing the 50 limit and the cameras might well be staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Not really. The more you increase you speed the greater the risk even on an empty road (albeit much less in that case). What about different weather conditions, road surfaces etc ?. We should probably drive everywhere at 30mph then. After all, if we go faster it only increases the risk. I'm saying that driving to the conditions, rather than blindly following some arbitrary limit is safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 We should probably drive everywhere at 30mph then. After all, if we go faster it only increases the risk. I'm saying that driving to the conditions, rather than blindly following some arbitrary limit is safer. Not really. There's room for an optimum speed depending on roads, traffic and that's how and why limits are in place. Driving to conditions is sensible but sadly there are twats (using the common expression in this thread) that don't and endanger others. To trade a few minutes for life or injury is silly and most drivers think they are safe in all sorts of situations. Sadly road accident stats shows they aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 No. Limits were in place based on safety 30/40 years ago. Now we have safer roads and safer cars, yet the same limits. Your post earlier in the thread saying that going 80mph couldn't be safe, takes no cognisence of improved safety over time or of road conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just do whatever burns the most oil quickest. It's for the good of everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibelieve!!! Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just got to keep track of once you go past every 2nd camera you can boot it until the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 No. Limits were in place based on safety 30/40 years ago. Now we have safer roads and safer cars, yet the same limits. Your post earlier in the thread saying that going 80mph couldn't be safe, takes no cognisence of improved safety over time or of road conditions. Is this for me ? Not sure about improved road safety - maybe you mean more speed limits in certain areas and certain types of roads e.g. near schools, built up areas and many other examples ? Some speed limits may have actually now reduced because many people/policy makers acknowledge the need for improvements, injuries, deaths etc ( I think there was something recently changed in Edinburgh to this effect). I've no idea if stats improved on deaths and accidents but probably yes like this A9 thread has shown ? But people moan about an increased journey time ?! And the fact that road traffic has possibly doubled in those last 30/40 years ? And maybe cars have got more powerful ? So "safer" cars and roads may be offset by twice as many vehicles and drivers who still can't stay within whatever limits and possibly think those safer cars and roads means they can stretch the boundaries further - as you maybe think (from your last post) ? Car's safer so I can go faster. Oh yeah and the road is better - add a few more mph. I don't understand all the grumpy drivers on here (and in general) who moan about speed limits when it clearly saves lives. At what point does saving a life or injury trade in for a few minutes (or even 30-60 mins) of getting somewhere faster? No brainer for me. I'm amazed by anyone trying to defend it and say how great a driver they are when there's so much more at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 There definitely are arguments for increased speed limits on certain roads. The A9 is not one of them. Each 10 mile stretch that the speed limit was increased to 80mph, you'd save less than 1 minute of journey time. It's pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Usually it's not speed that causes the accident (although its used all the time) but rather drivers speeding at the wrong time or driving like idiots ie tailgating, undertaking, weaving between traffic etc. Also driving too slow can be dangerous as it then distraught other drivers and can cause them to take chances they normally wouldn't take. Not talking about the 50 mph on an a road more the 30 mph and slowing for corners on an a road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Usually it's not speed that causes the accident (although its used all the time) but rather drivers speeding at the wrong time or driving like idiots ie tailgating, undertaking, weaving between traffic etc. Also driving too slow can be dangerous as it then distraught other drivers and can cause them to take chances they normally wouldn't take. Not talking about the 50 mph on an a road more the 30 mph and slowing for corners on an a road. Good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Usually it's not speed that causes the accident (although its used all the time) but rather drivers speeding at the wrong time or driving like idiots ie tailgating, undertaking, weaving between traffic etc. Also driving too slow can be dangerous as it then distraught other drivers and can cause them to take chances they normally wouldn't take. Not talking about the 50 mph on an a road more the 30 mph and slowing for corners on an a road. Seriously, how often do you see genuine cases of someone driving dangerously slowly as opposed to someone who is in your way and could be driving 10-15 mph faster and is just irritating you? It annoys the hell out me as well when I'm stuck behind someone who I don't think is making good progress - especially where I live where the council has conspired to make overtaking on A roads almost impossible - but in 30 years of driving I don't think I can remember any genuine cases of seeing someone driving dangerously slowly. On the other hand I've seen lots of people driving too fast for the road, occasionally it's been me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 70% of people think they're a better than average driver. Unless there's a really weird distribution of driving ability, a significant proportion of them are wrong. You should always consider you are one of these people if you want to drive safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 70% of people think they're a better than average driver. Unless there's a really weird distribution of driving ability, a significant proportion of them are wrong. You should always consider you are one of these people if you want to drive safely.Indeed, speed is only safe in the hands of an expert like myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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