StirlingEgg Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 22 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: Some really interesting thoughts, that may well be the English reaction but I wonder what the Loyalist reaction would be in the face of such a sell out by any UK Government. It's similar to the myth about Tories/UK govt being patriotic - they would (and have) sell off the whole country to absolutely anyone from anywhere if the money could be funnelled into their own and/or donors pockets. Despite all the Union Jacks and big Brit chat they don’t really care or even seem to know much about NI. When the DUP got that lucrative deal with May in 2017 some of the commentary had a half bemused smirk of "who's this crazy mob all of a sudden?". As though there was little knowledge of them already being part of the UK and its political system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 7 minutes ago, StirlingEgg said: It's similar to the myth about Tories/UK govt being patriotic - they would (and have) sell off the whole country to absolutely anyone from anywhere if the money could be funnelled into their own and/or donors pockets. Despite all the Union Jacks and big Brit chat they don’t really care or even seem to know much about NI. When the DUP got that lucrative deal with May in 2017 some of the commentary had a half bemused smirk of "who's this crazy mob all of a sudden?". As though there was little knowledge of them already being part of the UK and its political system. Precisely. Round Brexit, N.Ireland was really an afterthought. And then it's suddenly panic as they begin to realise that getting their deal done might not be so easy after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 59 minutes ago, scotlad said: Aye, it is a bit of a paradox. Then again, Sinn Fein didn't win the election by accident. Clearly there is strong support for them as a party - whether that's because they're now attracting support from outside their traditional base or whether it's demographic changes beginning to register I'm not sure. What I do find interesting is the apparent lack of panic in the British media and in government about the election of a nationalist FM in NI, compared to when the SNP first came to power in Scotland and especially when they won their majority in 2011. Sunak has publicly poured cold water on the idea of a border poll - as you would expect - but I suspect they or any subsequent British government will be privately relieved if Irish reunification happens. Northern Ireland was worth something to the British treasury 100 years ago but it's more of a hinderance now. The same can't be said if Scotland ever voted for independence though - we're too valuable to them. I just thought it was notable that these were similar demands/expectations being made of the Scottish govt in terms of "showing it can be competent with the day job". I'm afraid I can't quite articulate what I mean because the two situations differ but ultimately Sinn Fein and the SNP both want to escape the very govt that's arguably holding back their ability to address those issues. The same govt who's telling NI and Scotland to focus on day to day matters. One of the other UK nations should visit England and tell Sunak & Co to sort out its offensive shed first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 9 hours ago, scotlad said: Aye, it is a bit of a paradox. Then again, Sinn Fein didn't win the election by accident. Clearly there is strong support for them as a party - whether that's because they're now attracting support from outside their traditional base or whether it's demographic changes beginning to register I'm not sure. What I do find interesting is the apparent lack of panic in the British media and in government about the election of a nationalist FM in NI, compared to when the SNP first came to power in Scotland and especially when they won their majority in 2011. Sunak has publicly poured cold water on the idea of a border poll - as you would expect - but I suspect they or any subsequent British government will be privately relieved if Irish reunification happens. Northern Ireland was worth something to the British treasury 100 years ago but it's more of a hinderance now. The same can't be said if Scotland ever voted for independence though - we're too valuable to them. The lack of panic is easy to explain. Northern Ireland doesn't have anything the UK wants. They'd drop it like a hot tattie if they could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 8 hours ago, StirlingEgg said: I just thought it was notable that these were similar demands/expectations being made of the Scottish govt in terms of "showing it can be competent with the day job". I'm afraid I can't quite articulate what I mean because the two situations differ but ultimately Sinn Fein and the SNP both want to escape the very govt that's arguably holding back their ability to address those issues. The same govt who's telling NI and Scotland to focus on day to day matters. One of the other UK nations should visit England and tell Sunak & Co to sort out its offensive shed first. Showing they can do it day to day was a master stroke by the tories in my opinion and the snp bought it. It's impossible to run a country day by day when you do not have full control over your country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 17 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Showing they can do it day to day was a master stroke by the tories in my opinion and the snp bought it. It's impossible to run a country day by day when you do not have full control over your country. And next time you hear SLab criticising the Scottish Government and telling them to get on with the day job https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68211110 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Do enjoy the hypocrisy of Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross who rubbishes everything the Scottish government does but travels weekly on the Caledonian Sleeper which is now being run by the Scottish Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Hertsscot said: And next time you hear SLab criticising the Scottish Government and telling them to get on with the day job https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68211110 Stuff like this needs to be constantly highlighted by the SNP and alba. Make sure everyone knows that these parties treat scotland differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 20 hours ago, Malcolm said: Good to see there is still some financial literacy in the snp with Kate Forbes speaking out against the recent tax rate increases by the loony left who currently govern…. Continually increasing taxes is ultimately counter-productive over the long term, even if you agree with it ideologically, because it ultimately reduces public revenue. The forecasts for what the Scottish Government will raise through its latest changes to the top tax bands is just over £80 million. That isn’t to be sniffed at. But the forecasts also suggest that they’ll lose £118 million that they could have raised because of behavioural change – people leaving or reducing their hours or treating their income differently. That illustrates that we need to invest in people, in job creation, and in better wages. That way the tax take will increase. I’m constantly going on about the tax base. What I am really talking about is people. Calling for a bigger population, through inward migration and retaining our people, is exactly the same thing as wanting to see the tax base increase.’ If you take a look at the link on the other thread about pensions i think you will find that the entire UK is losing people due to behavioural changes ( reducing hours and treating income differently) so nothing directly to do with Scotland’s tax bands. I appreciate what Forbes is saying however the point of low earners being taxed less and high earners more is to give less affluent people more money which will stimulate the economy as poorer people spend more, rich folk tend to stash it away. There is more than one way to stimulate an economy. What is of more interest to me in this piece is that Forbes is making no effort to hide her opposition to the tax bands decision , which kinda shows she is putting herself out there . I might not necessarily agree with her on that but I still think she would be a far more competent leader therefore I am glad to see she seems to be keeping her profile raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: If you take a look at the link on the other thread about pensions i think you will find that the entire UK is losing people due to behavioural changes ( reducing hours and treating income differently) so nothing directly to do with Scotland’s tax bands. I appreciate what Forbes is saying however the point of low earners being taxed less and high earners more is to give less affluent people more money which will stimulate the economy as poorer people spend more, rich folk tend to stash it away. There is more than one way to stimulate an economy. What is of more interest to me in this piece is that Forbes is making no effort to hide her opposition to the tax bands decision , which kinda shows she is putting herself out there . I might not necessarily agree with her on that but I still think she would be a far more competent leader therefore I am glad to see she seems to be keeping her profile raised. yes the posturing has begun, in a way the snp and the tories are in a similar position, their leaders are on borrowed time, after the election they will both be out IMHO,, so don't be surprised to see a few other snp politicians trying to make themselves more visible in the next few months.. Has to be Forbes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) This is a real scumbag move from the express they have printed blatant lies about this young lad Edited February 6 by vanderark14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 8 hours ago, TDYER63 said: If you take a look at the link on the other thread about pensions i think you will find that the entire UK is losing people due to behavioural changes ( reducing hours and treating income differently) so nothing directly to do with Scotland’s tax bands. I appreciate what Forbes is saying however the point of low earners being taxed less and high earners more is to give less affluent people more money which will stimulate the economy as poorer people spend more, rich folk tend to stash it away. There is more than one way to stimulate an economy. What is of more interest to me in this piece is that Forbes is making no effort to hide her opposition to the tax bands decision , which kinda shows she is putting herself out there . I might not necessarily agree with her on that but I still think she would be a far more competent leader therefore I am glad to see she seems to be keeping her profile raised. i have met Kate Forbes on more than one occasion and she is clearly bright and would be far more competent than Humza. I would be tempted to vote for her if she ditched the greens. Aside from the additional taxes, the fiscal drag on existing rates and personal allowance are a shocker. £43k for higher rate tax? Inflation over the last few years would make that about £35k in real terms old money. State pensioners will soon be taxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Youth wing of The Reform Party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Cutler Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Operation Branchform apparently nearing an end to the investiogation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 14 hours ago, Malcolm said: State pensioners will soon be taxed. Hyperbole - you know that's nonsense. 14 hours ago, Malcolm said: I would be tempted to vote for her if she ditched the greens. I don't know why you continue this game of lying that you would ever vote SNP. Not one person believes you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Ian Blackford keeps proving me right, what a man...i still think aaid was connected to him in some way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 7 Author Share Posted February 7 10 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Ian Blackford keeps proving me right, what a man...i still think aaid was connected to him in some way You'll need to expand on these posts so i dont need to search twatter and not see anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 14 hours ago, Malcolm said: i have met Kate Forbes on more than one occasion and she is clearly bright and would be far more competent than Humza. I would be tempted to vote for her if she ditched the greens. Aside from the additional taxes, the fiscal drag on existing rates and personal allowance are a shocker. £43k for higher rate tax? Inflation over the last few years would make that about £35k in real terms old money. State pensioners will soon be taxed. Fiscal drag is on everyone in the UK, in no small way due to Liz Truss , courtesy of you know, the latest party you are voting for. 8 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Hyperbole - you know that's nonsense. I don't know why you continue this game of lying that you would ever vote SNP. Not one person believes you. From memory he has been voting SNP, then lib dems, then nobody, then Tories, then possibly SNP 😆 I mentioned on the Series worth watching thread that I had been watching The Traitors recently. 22 folk go into a castle and 3 of them are Traitors. No one knows who they are, they need to pretend they are ‘faithfuls’ , the game is to eliminate them before they win. If the TAMB was this game Malcolm would be my stick on Traitor … 14 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Ian Blackford keeps proving me right, what a man...i still think aaid was connected to him in some way Yours would be aaid 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 17 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: You'll need to expand on these posts so i dont need to search twatter and not see anything well just in general, Ian is all about Ian, he doesn't give two shits about independence, bullying any who dared speak out against the other bully sturgeon. He obviously has no morals and has ditched Ann for an older model,, he is now angling for a seat in the house of lords, wouldn't surprise me if he joined labour. Eck was right to Kick his arse back in the good old days of the real SNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 27 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Fiscal drag is on everyone in the UK, in no small way due to Liz Truss , courtesy of you know, the latest party you are voting for. From memory he has been voting SNP, then lib dems, then nobody, then Tories, then possibly SNP 😆 I mentioned on the Series worth watching thread that I had been watching The Traitors recently. 22 folk go into a castle and 3 of them are Traitors. No one knows who they are, they need to pretend they are ‘faithfuls’ , the game is to eliminate them before they win. If the TAMB was this game Malcolm would be my stick on Traitor … Yours would be aaid 😁 Sometimes parodies can be amusing but not in this case! There used to be a guy known as Mucky Malcolm who sold soft porn into music retailers. That's who always comes to mind when I hear the name 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 7 Author Share Posted February 7 3 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Ian Blackford keeps proving me right, what a man...i still think aaid was connected to him in some way I have met Aaid a couple of times and he isnt afaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 hours ago, StirlingEgg said: Sometimes parodies can be amusing but not in this case! There used to be a guy known as Mucky Malcolm who sold soft porn into music retailers. That's who always comes to mind when I hear the name 😀 😂😂 You used the term Mucky Malcolm in another post about Malcolm and I thought it was a typo and you meant ‘ lucky Malcolm’ ( ‘lucky’ made sense within the context! ) 😆 It’s going to be hard to erase this from my brain now. Sorry @Malcolm ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 7 hours ago, EddardStark said: Youth wing of The Reform Party I forgot to add that party to Malcolm’s list. He definitely mentioned them too. Are you there Malcolm ? I think you could be the guy in the green Barbour jacket ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: 😂😂 You used the term Mucky Malcolm in another post about Malcolm and I thought it was a typo and you meant ‘ lucky Malcolm’ ( ‘lucky’ made sense within the context! ) 😆 It’s going to be hard to erase this from my brain now. Sorry @Malcolm ! 😂 The guy used to come in with a folder to show the titles he had to sell. Usually all the nudity etc was blacked out but the manager told me about a time where there was one full frontal cover with a particularly em...shall we say bushy lady on show. My bemused boss said "what's going on with that one then?" and then he said he didn't know what Malcolm thought he'd asked because he replied "aye sometimes we just can't get them hairy enough" 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 42 minutes ago, StirlingEgg said: 😂 The guy used to come in with a folder to show the titles he had to sell. Usually all the nudity etc was blacked out but the manager told me about a time where there was one full frontal cover with a particularly em...shall we say bushy lady on show. My bemused boss said "what's going on with that one then?" and then he said he didn't know what Malcolm thought he'd asked because he replied "aye sometimes we just can't get them hairy enough" 🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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