Orraloon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, Ak91 said: It is quite confusing because the Euro qualifying is still to take place and until it does, we don't know who is going to need a play off. For ease of thinking lets assume the following qualify through the actual qualification groups: Germany (Host Nation) Other 15 A Group Participants (In pot 1 and 2) 5 Group B Participants (Group Winners and Best Runner Up (all in pot 2). This means the 12 play off positions would be taken by the following: 3 No 2nd placed finishers from Nations League B Groups 4 No 3rd placed finishers from Nations League B Groups 1 No Best 4th Placed finisher 4 No Winners of Nations League C Groups. This is my understanding of how it would work. Obviously not everyone in pot 1 and 2 will qualify through the qualification groups but who ever doesn't would take a play off spot (there wont be many who don't qualify through the groups). I don't understand what you mean by that bit I have put in bold? What does "3 No 2nd" mean? If the direct EURO qualifiers are as you suggest (i.e. all the pot 1 and pot 2 teams plus Germany) then I think it goes like this. The first play off route is allocated to League C. That would be all four League C group winners. The League B play off route would be contested by the 4 highest ranked League B teams who have not already qualified. In your scenario that would be the teams ranked 6 to 9 in League B. If there are no League A teams to contest the League A play off, then the first spot in that play off route goes to the highest ranked League D team (I think Estonia have already got that sewn up). The other 3 places would go to the teams ranked 10 to 12 in League B. That is my understanding of it anyway. Could be wrong though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak91 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 42 minutes ago, Orraloon said: I don't understand what you mean by that bit I have put in bold? What does "3 No 2nd" mean? If the direct EURO qualifiers are as you suggest (i.e. all the pot 1 and pot 2 teams plus Germany) then I think it goes like this. The first play off route is allocated to League C. That would be all four League C group winners. The League B play off route would be contested by the 4 highest ranked League B teams who have not already qualified. In your scenario that would be the teams ranked 6 to 9 in League B. If there are no League A teams to contest the League A play off, then the first spot in that play off route goes to the highest ranked League D team (I think Estonia have already got that sewn up). The other 3 places would go to the teams ranked 10 to 12 in League B. That is my understanding of it anyway. Could be wrong though? I just meant the remaining 3 runners up in the B groups (there is 4 but in my example I have assumed the best runner up has qualified through the groups as they are a pot 2 team). You could be right on group D winners, I think we are saying the same thing apart from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Ak91 said: I just meant the remaining 3 runners up in the B groups (there is 4 but in my example I have assumed the best runner up has qualified through the groups as they are a pot 2 team). You could be right on group D winners, I think we are saying the same thing apart from this. Aye, I think we on the same lines. here. I'm pretty sure the League D bit is correct. I got that from here https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-European-Football-Championship-2022-24/Article-15-Equality-of-points-qualifying-group-stage-Online I think Estonia have already got a play off spot by beating Malta twice (both games 2-1) and San Marino 2-0. They still have to play San Marino again but they already have top place in League D in the bag. Unless four League A teams need their own play off places that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 On 9/25/2022 at 1:36 AM, TartanSpice said: Yeh, you're right. Though there are other important matches for us. Best case for us if we lose is Ireland also lose. If we both lose we're virtually guaranteed to get Pot 2 unless we lose by at least 6 to Ukraine. If Ireland win/draw then we need 4 other sets of results to all go our way to still make Pot 2: B2 - Iceland not to win Iceland are away to Albania. B3 - Montenegro to finish second and Romania to finish bottom. Montenegro are at home to Finland, Romania are at home to Bosnia. Romania must lose and Finland cannot win. B4 - Sweden to finish bottom/not win. Sweden are away to Slovenia. Sweden cannot win TL;DR - Iceland, Sweden and Finland all must not win, and Romania must lose. If those all happen we can get leathered by a cricket score from Ukraine and still get Pot 2. Oh well that is that option of best runners-up gone. Finland 2-0 and Romania winning against Bosnia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Oh well that is that option of best runners-up gone. Finland 2-0 and Romania winning against Bosnia. Just need to hope we get something tomorrow night then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanSpice Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: Oh well that is that option of best runners-up gone. Finland 2-0 and Romania winning against Bosnia. Not completely gone, but would need Armenia to beat Ireland in Dublin so incredibly unlikely. 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: Oh well that is that option of best runners-up gone. Finland 2-0 and Romania winning against Bosnia. Utter bullshit rule, this discounting results against the bottom team. Fair enough in a normal qualification process with differing numbers of teams in groups. In that situation there is always going to be one poorly ranked team in each group. That is not the case with the Nations League as each league generally consists of teams of a similar standard. Finland have effectively been rewarded for failure to secure a decent tally of points from the team that were the worst in their group! In this case I think the fairer way would be to just give the points to all the teams in the group where one team 'never turned up'. Pretty sure that's supposed to be the rule anyway. Otherwise how have Poland ended up at the World Cup? They were awarded the game as the opposition couldn't fulfill the fixture 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, todd said: Utter bullshit rule, this discounting results against the bottom team. Fair enough in a normal qualification process with differing numbers of teams in groups. In that situation there is always going to be one poorly ranked team in each group. That is not the case with the Nations League as each league generally consists of teams of a similar standard. Finland have effectively been rewarded for failure to secure a decent tally of points from the team that were the worst in their group! In this case I think the fairer way would be to just give the points to all the teams in the group where one team 'never turned up'. Pretty sure that's supposed to be the rule anyway. Otherwise how have Poland ended up at the World Cup? They were awarded the game as the opposition couldn't fulfill the fixture 🤔 It’s the only fair way to do it when more than one group is affected. Everyone else in League B would need to beat the bottom placed team in their group at least 3-0 just to get on an even keel with Iceland, Israel and Albania. It only seems unfair because we would have 6 points deducted. If Armenia win tomorrow (unlikely to be fair) it could work out very nicely for us if we lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanSpice Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: It’s the only fair way to do it when more than one group is affected. Everyone else in League B would need to beat the bottom placed team in their group at least 3-0 just to get on an even keel with Iceland, Israel and Albania. It only seems unfair because we would have 6 points deducted. If Armenia win tomorrow (unlikely to be fair) it could work out very nicely for us if we lose. The annoying thing is, if they’d started those three teams on 6 points instead of deducting points from the bottom placed team, we’d have a much better chance of getting that best placed 2nd team than we do now. 🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, TartanSpice said: The annoying thing is, if they’d started those three teams on 6 points instead of deducting points from the bottom placed team, we’d have a much better chance of getting that best placed 2nd team than we do now. 🙈 We only have ourselves to blame for getting pumped in Dublin (and losing tomorrow night if we do end up in second place) I’m afraid. We can forget all about it with a good performance and at least a point tomorrow though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 EURO 2024 Play Off in the bag. That is now three major tournaments with plays off's secured, that is progress. Now we wait to check out our group on October 9th sitting in pot 2. Top 2 gets us automatic qualification. I cant wait to see who we get in the draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Do we need to bring in our reserve goalies for a bit more experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, romanticscot said: EURO 2024 Play Off in the bag. That is now three major tournaments with plays off's secured, that is progress. Now we wait to check out our group on October 9th sitting in pot 2. Top 2 gets us automatic qualification. I cant wait to see who we get in the draw. Sorry, could you expand. What do you mean 3 major tournaments,,🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 We qualified for a play off for EURO 2020 by beating Serbia on pen's. World Cup 2022 - Lost to Ukraine Just qualified for EURO 2024 play offs today by winning our nations league group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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breeks_mctavish Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, romanticscot said: We qualified for a play off for EURO 2020 by beating Serbia on pen's. World Cup 2022 - Lost to Ukraine Just qualified for EURO 2024 play offs today by winning our nations league group. Hopefully we won’t need the playoff (but understand your point 🙂) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Right I think this is how the seeding pots will look now that the Nations League fixtures are complete:- POT 1 Croatia Denmark Spain Portugal Italy Hungary Netherlands Belgium Switzerland Poland POT 2 England Wales France SCOTLAND Bosnia H. Israel Serbia Austria Czech Republic Finland POT 3 Iceland Sweden Romania Republic of Ireland Slovenia Albania Montenegro Armenia Ukraine Norway POT 4 Georgia Greece Turkey Kazhakstan Luxembourg Azerbaijan Kosovo Bulgaria Faroe Islands North Macedonia POT 5 Slovakia Northern Ireland Cyprus Belarus Lithuania Gibraltar Estonia Latvia Moldova Malta POT 6 Andorra San Marino Liechtenstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanSpice Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) Qualifying draw simulator from https://twitter.com/We_Global http://www.weglobalfootball.com/2022/09/27/uefa-euro-2024-qualifying-draw-simulator/ Edited September 27, 2022 by TartanSpice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, breeks_mctavish said: Hopefully we won’t need the playoff (but understand your point 🙂) I completely agree. I think being 2nd seed is more valuable than having a play off but at a minimum we have it. Ive seen a few points about what this could mean for World Cup 2026 play off, I am less optimistic of that. Over the weekend I was looking at 2022 and how that played out. I concluded League B would be better for us for World Cup but what just happened today was better for us for EURO 2024. Off topic but the North America World Cup has 3 extra spots for UEFA. I am also pretty sure seeding for World Cup 2026 is based off of FIFA rankings which in my minds means breaking into the top 20 in Europe is something we aim for. Right now I think we are 23rd with Russia above us so we are getting closer. Lots of football to play between now and the next World Cup qualifying draw. Edited September 27, 2022 by romanticscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burj_Alba Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Right I think this is how the seeding pots will look now that the Nations League fixtures are complete:- POT 1 Croatia Denmark Spain Portugal Italy Hungary Netherlands Belgium Switzerland Poland POT 2 England Wales France SCOTLAND Bosnia H. Israel Serbia Austria Czech Republic Finland POT 3 Iceland Sweden Romania Republic of Ireland Slovenia Albania Montenegro Armenia Ukraine Norway POT 4 Georgia Greece Turkey Kazhakstan Luxembourg Azerbaijan Kosovo Bulgaria Faroe Islands North Macedonia POT 5 Slovakia Northern Ireland Cyprus Belarus Lithuania Gibraltar Estonia Latvia Moldova Malta POT 6 Andorra San Marino Liechtenstein Avoid Norway in pot 3 and Turkey in pot 4 and I would be delighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, TartanSpice said: Qualifying draw simulator from https://twitter.com/We_Global http://www.weglobalfootball.com/2022/09/27/uefa-euro-2024-qualifying-draw-simulator/ I just push the button until I get a group I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, romanticscot said: We qualified for a play off for EURO 2020 by beating Serbia on pen's. World Cup 2022 - Lost to Ukraine Just qualified for EURO 2024 play offs today by winning our nations league group. Yep say what you like about Clarke but in qualifiers situation he's basically the new Craig Brown (excluding 2002) in consistently getting team into contention for tournaments now and getting on similar run Wales are and in past ROI. I'm very confident play off insurance won't be needed and can qualify automatically this time as getting into pot 2 and avoiding likes of France and England is huge for balance of group. Aside from the Ukraine defeat in June it's been a really good year since the flat euros performances. Likes of Patterson, Hendry, Hickey and Adams have all broken into the team and freshened things up and now squad has serious competition for places beyond central midfield. Hopefully this De Zebri guy can get Gilmour going again and then it's not just a case of qualifying for euro 2024 but actually having a serious go at getting into last 16.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Burj_Alba said: Avoid Norway in pot 3 and Turkey in pot 4 and I would be delighted. Turkey are pretty poor on the road, lost to Faroes at the weekend so they'd be very beattable at Hampden. Norway are odd. Can never seen to kick on with actual results but ultimately Odegaard and Haaland in final third must be respected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, Burj_Alba said: Avoid Norway in pot 3 and Turkey in pot 4 and I would be delighted. Norway have potential to be decebt side. Most if the teams in pot 3 are average/poor. I would like to avoid ireland as home nations games can be like derby matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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