DAVIDB46 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 But even if unlikely we win still might not be enough. wales have more belief than us in that they do believe their standing is way more than it is, in getting results against sides better than them. still think we struggle to shake off the free hit mentality i suppose Belgium and Denmark have nothing at stake , so it’s better wales result i suppose but more games tomorrow of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanSpice Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, DAVIDB46 said: But even if unlikely we win still might not be enough. wales have more belief than us in that they do believe their standing is way more than it is, in getting results against sides better than them. still think we struggle to shake off the free hit mentality i suppose Belgium and Denmark have nothing at stake , so it’s better wales result i suppose but more games tomorrow of course A win gets us seeded 100%. Need 4 teams to finish below us, and a win means that there would be 5 groups below us guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 We've been knocked down to unseeded after Wales gubbed Belarus. Same Goal Difference but they are ahead in Goals For. We now definitively need something from the Denmark game or we are barring a miracle all but unseeded. Its going to be incredibly difficult Denmark have only just conceded their first goal in qualifying and are going for a 100% record. Hopefully we have a full and rocking Hampden, that helps the lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanSpice Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Perfect results tomorrow: Spain to beat Sweden by 3 and Russia to beat Croatia Then we'd go into our game knowing a draw guarantees a seeded place. *fingers crossed* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdgsct Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 A point v Denmark will do us if at least 3 of the following happen, Finland to fail to beat France by 3 or more. Turkey to fail to beat Montenegro (away) by 4 or more. Spain to beat Sweden by 3 or more. Or by 2 if we score more than Sweden. Poland to lose to Hungary at home. Croatia lose to Russia at home. Belgium to beat Wales. Or draw if they score 2 less than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanSpice Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, bdgsct said: A point v Denmark will do us if at least 3 of the following happen, Finland to fail to beat France by 3 or more. Turkey to fail to beat Montenegro (away) by 4 or more. Spain to beat Sweden by 3 or more. Or by 2 if we score more than Sweden. Poland to lose to Hungary at home. Croatia lose to Russia at home. Belgium to beat Wales. Or draw if they score 2 less than us. Finland can only finish on 14 with a win, so it's down to 2 scenarios from the remaining 5. It's all going our way already. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdgsct Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, TartanSpice said: Finland can only finish on 14 with a win, so it's down to 2 scenarios from the remaining 5. It's all going our way already. 😂 Good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 So the chances are if we get a point against Denmark we will be seeded? Still can't see us getting a point tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 7 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: So the chances are if we get a point against Denmark we will be seeded? Still can't see us getting a point tbf. It will be tough but bear in mind Denmark do have some absentees through injuries and suspension and we are at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: We've been knocked down to unseeded after Wales gubbed Belarus. Same Goal Difference but they are ahead in Goals For. Remember that Wales goal difference could take a hit in their last match against Belgium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 I think they have about 6 out who would probably start if available. Those replacing them all play at the top level in the likes of Germany and Italy etc though 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockholm 1980 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 I’ve been watching the Play Off scenario developing since the September fixtures and who could be seeded or not. Interestingly 4 of the 6 seeds will likely come from the 5 smaller sections ( Five team sections where you don’t drop your score against the bottom team) I think there has to have been a bit advantage in playing 8 games not 10 from the rest days and bookings position. As for the remaining fixtures, I think we are capable of getting a better result against Denmark than Wales against Belgium. I’d still play our strongest side including players on one booking, some will get booked and miss the Semi, but that’s fitba, thats the chance we need to take if we hope to get a result and be seeded. I think it will be a great night and we’ll move back into a seeded place pending what happens on Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: Remember that Wales goal difference could take a hit in their last match against Belgium. If Belgium win in Cardiff there's every chance the Czechs will overtake Wales though. Edited November 14, 2021 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Toepoke said: If Belgium win in Cardiff there's every chance the Czechs will overtake Wales though. That is true but if we even draw against Denmark then that would be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, bdgsct said: A point v Denmark will do us if at least 3 of the following happen, Finland to fail to beat France by 3 or more. Turkey to fail to beat Montenegro (away) by 4 or more. Spain to beat Sweden by 3 or more. Or by 2 if we score more than Sweden. Poland to lose to Hungary at home. Croatia lose to Russia at home. Belgium to beat Wales. Or draw if they score 2 less than us. Well I cannot see Turkey stuffing (sorry) Montenegro 4-0 away. Montenegro got a very creditable 2-2 draw last night at home to Netherlands so they'll be in good spirits. A 3-0 win for Spain and a nil nil draw for us would be enough but this Spanish side have only scored more than two goals in games against the group's whipping boys plus the Swedish defence is its strength so that scenario does not look likely. Croatia losing at home to Russia is possible but again, unlikely. Croatia are a strong home side and Russia's only defeat was on their trip to Slovenia. I cannot see Hungary winning in Poland. It is possible but highly unlikely. Belgium to beat Wales is highly possible given that Bale is not likely to be fit and Ampadu is suspended. Although it depends on the Belgians' mindset. Fuck it lets just beat Denmark. 👍 Edited November 14, 2021 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Here's an interesting one. If we draw 0-0 and Spain beat Sweden 2-0 we would be level on points with Sweden, on the same GD and same goals scored. We could then miss out on a seeded place based on less "goals scored away from home". I'm certain that has never happened before. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 13 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: So the chances are if we get a point against Denmark we will be seeded? Still can't see us getting a point tbf. We’ve taken a point or better off better teams than Denmark in the not too distant past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Denmark’s 100% record and one goal conceded has a lot of people running scared but our group is not the strongest. You could probably argue that’s it’s the weakest as Austria have been poor and are nowhere near as good as most other pot 2 teams. Denmark also needed an 85th minute winner to beat the Faroes away so they are not invincible. The fact they are playing for a 100% record may also work in our favour. If they had already dropped a couple of points they would have absolutely no pressure on them tomorrow night and could relax. Could work the other way of course but we’ll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockholm 1980 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Orraloon said: Here's an interesting one. If we draw 0-0 and Spain beat Sweden 2-0 we would be level on points with Sweden, on the same GD and same goals scored. We could then miss out on a seeded place based on less "goals scored away from home". I'm certain that has never happened before. 🤣 The crazy irony of that would be Sweden could have a negative away goal difference of -2. 4 For 6 Against. We are level away from home on counting matches 3 For 3 Against If they are going to the length of away goals to decide things it should be the difference first before the goals scored. Edited November 14, 2021 by Stockholm 1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 I think it’s fairly obvious we did get a very generous draw. I always remember Northern Ireland’s euro 2016 group, they lucked out tremendously drawing teams in heavy decline and no big hitters. Romania who came 2nd managed to draw 5 times for example.Any other group they would never have qualified. So you just have to appreciate what your given. If we take something of Denmark it will be the icing on the cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Those two away wins to Austria and Moldova have convinced me that we might have turned a corner and we could be heading back to being as good as we once were a couple of decades ago. Those are the sort of results that we have failed to get this century. Ok we have had a couple of great results but they ultimately didn't matter. We now need to start winning our home games again. If we want to be regularly challenging for qualification we need to be beating teams like Denmark at Hampden. As we look back on this campaign the worst result by far was dropping points at home to Austria. The best bit for me is that two of our best players are under 21. The rest of the squad isn't that old either. It's looking promising but we are always just a couple of bad results away from being shit again. 😂 A win or draw against Denmark and I'll be totally convinced this squad are going places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, Stockholm 1980 said: The crazy irony of that would be Sweden could have a negative away goal difference of -2. 4 For 6 Against. We are level away from home on counting matches 3 For 3 Against If they are going to the length of away goals to decide things it should be the difference first before the goals scored. I agree, let's start a campaign to get that rule changed just in case it happens. We need to be quick though. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Croatia V Russia about to kick-off. Best result for Scotland here is a Russia win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 If Croatia draw then Scotland will need a win tomorrow to finish above them in the seedings chart so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Croatia doing all the early pressing. They are unbeaten at home in World Cup qualifiers since 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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