colins96 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 So long as this is the last lockdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 The media now reporting in a way that makes it look like these are all definite dates. Queue the Scottish media clambering for dates from the Scottish Government! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colins96 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, Lamia said: The media now reporting in a way that makes it look like these are all definite dates. Queue the Scottish media clambering for dates from the Scottish Government! Nicola needs a slap. Hopefully she opens things faster than boris. That would be a success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 here's the modelling data on opening up quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Nicola needs a slap ? I've seen some provocative tripe on here, that wins hands down though What a hard person that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 45 minutes ago, colins96 said: Nicola needs a slap. On reflection this needs quoting before it disappears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colins96 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Redz said: Nicola needs a slap ? I've seen some provocative tripe on here, that wins hands down though What a hard person that is Be good for her. Great opportunity to out do boris and get the pubs open faster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 A slap would be good for her You need help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 If she does not commit to any dates tomorrow , I don’t think she will especially as Johnson wants rid of restrictions by mid June if fans are still in complete dark tomorrow regards crowds , I can see even the card carrying flag wavers , starting to get a bit pissed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Seems to me there is a lot of leeway in what was announced for England today. So Johnson appears to promise tolerably early dates, to placate the business and anti lockdown people, but with the proviso that they won't necessarily stick to the dates, to allow them to roll it out much slower - which will disappoint the same people they're currently trying to placate. Or else they'll go as fast as possible even if it's not safe, to avoid disappointing people, and risk reinfecting everyone. I think if that happens we really do need to consider tight control of the Scotland - England border. I haven't been particularly vocal about that before - it's a balancing act after all - but I don't think we can't get dragged back to square one yet again. We didn't sufficiently control travel at the beginning; we then allowed/were pressured into allowing travel in the summer, and got bitten by holiday infections; then we allowed/were pressured into the 4 nations Christmas travel bonanza and got bitten again; and now we're in danger yet again, despite having an international travel policy, of allowing the laxer England policy to drag us back again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, DAVIDB46 said: If she does not commit to any dates tomorrow , I don’t think she will especially as Johnson wants rid of restrictions by mid June if fans are still in complete dark tomorrow regards crowds , I can see even the card carrying flag wavers , starting to get a bit pissed off. She has already said it will be a framework and there won't be dates which is totally sensible because if you are being driven by the data dates are meaningless. Edited February 23, 2021 by Lamia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lamia said: She has already said it will be a framework and there won't be dates which is totally sensible because if you are being driven by the data dates are meaningless. I agree the dates need to be flexible and adapted to the changing situation. However people also need a bit of hope. Something to look forward to. They can't just keep saying restrictions are continuing for the next 3 weeks. People will just give up. A flexible framework with indicative dates is sensible imo. It doesn't have to be as explicit as the UK government has laid out but key stages and dates such as "the end of May" or whatever should be given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Parklife said: I agree the dates need to be flexible and adapted to the changing situation. However people also need a bit of hope. Something to look forward to. They can't just keep saying restrictions are continuing for the next 3 weeks. People will just give up. A flexible framework with indicative dates is sensible imo. It doesn't have to be as explicit as the UK government has laid out but key stages and dates such as "the end of May" or whatever should be given. Sturgeon is fucked either way today. If she does anything different to bojos plan she's just doing it to be different, if she does name specific dates she gets it in the neck if she doesn't adhere to those dates Edited February 23, 2021 by vanderark14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colins96 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 52 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Sturgeon is fucked either way today. If she does anything different to bojos plan she's just doing it to be different, if she does name specific dates she gets it in the neck if she doesn't adhere to those dates So a great chance to outdo boris and get us open before England!. Im sure there is a song. You take the high road and ill take the low road, and I'll be in lockdown before you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Sturgeon is fucked either way today. If she does anything different to bojos plan she's just doing it to be different, if she does name specific dates she gets it in the neck if she doesn't adhere to those dates That's why her messaging needs to be clear. They're indicative and "best case" dates, subject to change dependent on the situation. She leads the Scottish government. It's their job to ensure their message is delivered clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 The problem is, as soon as a date is mentioned it becomes set in stone in people's heads. Regardless of how many times anyone says 'this is an indicative date" or "this is a best case scenario" people get it in their head that the dates are fixed. You then get the added problem of stated dates leading people to think that things are getting better and their potentially becoming less rigid in their adherence to the current rules. Once again, the UK government shambles has screwed it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, wee-toon-red said: The problem is, as soon as a date is mentioned it becomes set in stone in people's heads. Regardless of how many times anyone says 'this is an indicative date" or "this is a best case scenario" people get it in their head that the dates are fixed. You then get the added problem of stated dates leading people to think that things are getting better and their potentially becoming less rigid in their adherence to the current rules. Once again, the UK government shambles has screwed it up. I agree with that. The Boris team came up with an excellent slogan of "data not dates" and he should have just stuck to saying that, over and over again. But the first thing he does is slap dates on stuff all over the place. As you say, the only thing people will remember are the dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, vanderark14 said: Sturgeon is fucked either way today. If she does anything different to bojos plan she's just doing it to be different, if she does name specific dates she gets it in the neck if she doesn't adhere to those dates I suspect it will be the former. As far as timelines are concerned she hasnt allowed herself to be bullied by Westminster up till now, I cant see it changing unless she is swayed by the upcoming election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Orraloon said: I agree with that. The Boris team came up with an excellent slogan of "data not dates" and he should have just stuck to saying that, over and over again. But the first thing he does is slap dates on stuff all over the place. As you say, the only thing people will remember are the dates. People already going wild and booking holidays from July. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56161129 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, wee-toon-red said: People already going wild and booking holidays from July. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56161129 Surely this is a typo, I lost £3k when Thomas Cook collapsed. ‘’Thomas Cook said traffic to its website was up over 100% on Monday from 15:00 GMT onwards, with bookings "flooding in" for countries such as Greece, Cyprus, Mexico and the Dominican Republic. "The government's announcement today is good news for those of us desperate to get away on holiday," said Thomas Cook's chief executive Alan French. "While we await more details, it's clear that the government's ambition is to open up international travel in the coming months and hopefully in time for the summer holidays." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Surely this is a typo, I lost £3k when Thomas Cook collapsed. ‘’Thomas Cook said traffic to its website was up over 100% on Monday from 15:00 GMT onwards, with bookings "flooding in" for countries such as Greece, Cyprus, Mexico and the Dominican Republic. "The government's announcement today is good news for those of us desperate to get away on holiday," said Thomas Cook's chief executive Alan French. "While we await more details, it's clear that the government's ambition is to open up international travel in the coming months and hopefully in time for the summer holidays." Some Chinese company bought the name and brand. It's a wee bit like the Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Parklife said: I agree the dates need to be flexible and adapted to the changing situation. However people also need a bit of hope. Something to look forward to. They can't just keep saying restrictions are continuing for the next 3 weeks. People will just give up. A flexible framework with indicative dates is sensible imo. It doesn't have to be as explicit as the UK government has laid out but key stages and dates such as "the end of May" or whatever should be given. I would accept that if people could take it in that vein but they seemingly can’t. Every time the dates are not met then there is uproar so giving hope is self defeating and probably one of the reasons England’s death rate is so high. Edited February 23, 2021 by Lamia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colins96 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Holiday in arbroath booked. Just me and Paul Dickov eating smokies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I've got my first vaccine "blue letter" in today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, phart said: I've got my first vaccine "blue letter" in today. Ach well, at least somebody found the blue envelopes eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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