SkyBlueScot Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 Fraser seems to be linked to every club in the EPL. Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Leicester, West Ham and Palace all cropping up in discussions about him. He's not had a good season so I'm surprised that Arsenal and Spurs are still interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, 0Neils40yarder said: His contract ended, he decided not to renew it...dont see what the big deal is Must be dozens of players in the same boat, can't think of any mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, ceudmilefailte said: Welsh and Irish leagues don't have Celtic and Rangers so it will never go that way. As long as Celtic and Rangers are competitive in Europe the top flight in Scotland still has some credibility.  it’s two teams, it hardly makes a league.  Scottish players at the old firm play week in week out against players that would struggle to make the English championship.  It’s simply not competitive.  I’d much rather our good prospects from the old firm went to bundesliga, seria a, la liga or epl.  we are not talking the 80s or before where players from many clubs were capable of playing at a high level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintydave Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Kirk said: His contract isn't up until end of June so he should at least have had the decency to play until then and help the club as much as possible. He's being a selfish dick Was Howe's choice not to play him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 12 hours ago, Kirk said: His contract isn't up until end of June so he should at least have had the decency to play until then and help the club as much as possible. He's being a selfish dick His manger chose not to play him as he wasn't signing a new deal. No different from a player signing a pre contract and getting bombed out. Don't see what Fraser has done wrong. He's there to be selected until his contract runs out and his manager doesn't want to play him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Squirrelhumper said: His manger chose not to play him as he wasn't signing a new deal. No different from a player signing a pre contract and getting bombed out. Don't see what Fraser has done wrong. He's there to be selected until his contract runs out and his manager doesn't want to play him. He refused to sign a contract to play the remaining games of the season because his contract runs out at the end of June,it's not the same as signing a pre contract. Would be interesting to see how many players have done likewise, four players at Bournemouth did sign short term deals perhaps Fraser thinks he is better than them. It was impossible for Howe to play him and keep the respect of the rest of his players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: He refused to sign a contract to play the remaining games of the season because his contract runs out at the end of June,it's not the same as signing a pre contract. Would be interesting to see how many players have done likewise, four players at Bournemouth did sign short term deals perhaps Fraser thinks he is better than them. It was impossible for Howe to play him and keep the respect of the rest of his players. Fraser has previous for not being a team player, he apologised to his own team mates in January after being linked to Arsenal.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I’m failing to see it with Oli Mcburnie....  every time I watch him there is little movement.  What are his strengths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: He refused to sign a contract to play the remaining games of the season because his contract runs out at the end of June,it's not the same as signing a pre contract. Would be interesting to see how many players have done likewise, four players at Bournemouth did sign short term deals perhaps Fraser thinks he is better than them. It was impossible for Howe to play him and keep the respect of the rest of his players. What happens if he gets injured in the extra months contract and then has no team for a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Malcolm said: I’m failing to see it with Oli Mcburnie....  every time I watch him there is little movement.  What are his strengths? Acting like an idiot, mainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 35 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: perhaps Fraser thinks he is better than them. Â He is to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 12 hours ago, saintydave said: Was Howe's choice not to play him See ceudmilefailtes post 3 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: His manger chose not to play him as he wasn't signing a new deal. No different from a player signing a pre contract and getting bombed out. Don't see what Fraser has done wrong. He's there to be selected until his contract runs out and his manager doesn't want to play him. as below 1 hour ago, ceudmilefailte said: He refused to sign a contract to play the remaining games of the season because his contract runs out at the end of June,it's not the same as signing a pre contract. Would be interesting to see how many players have done likewise, four players at Bournemouth did sign short term deals perhaps Fraser thinks he is better than them. It was impossible for Howe to play him and keep the respect of the rest of his players. Aye so being a bawbag. This shite about what if he gets injured is nonsense, any decent guy would try and help his club out. Also i really dont think he is as good as he thinks he is. A move to an average mid table team awaits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: What happens if he gets injured in the extra months contract and then has no team for a year? It's the same for lot's of players. Technically he has done nothing wrong, The point every one is making that he is being a bit of a wank by not doing more to help his team, like the other out of contract players at Bournemouth and plenty other's round the country.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirk said: This shite about what if he gets injured is nonsense, any decent guy would try and help his club out. Also i really dont think he is as good as he thinks he is. A move to an average mid table team awaits "Any decent guy" Gie us peace - if he gets injured playing next month and is out for a year, do you think Bournemouth would offer him a long term contract on the money he's gonna get elsewhere? He's a better player than a club like Bournemouth, he'll have options and he'd be off his head to risk that to sign a 1 month deal. Might be harsh on Bournemouth but can 100% see where he's coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/16/2020 at 10:22 AM, Squirrelhumper said: Just saw his stats for the QPR game there. 98% pass accuracy 90% tackle success 100% conversion rate 100% dribble success 90% aerial duals won 2 shots on raget 2 goals. QPR though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: He refused to sign a contract to play the remaining games of the season because his contract runs out at the end of June,it's not the same as signing a pre contract. Would be interesting to see how many players have done likewise, four players at Bournemouth did sign short term deals perhaps Fraser thinks he is better than them. It was impossible for Howe to play him and keep the respect of the rest of his players. Maybe he already has another deal lined up which hasn't been announced yet. He's perfectly entitled to do that and also not to sign a short term deal for Bournemouth if he wants to. This was always going to be a problem with restarting the league after such a big gap and going over the period where contracts expire. Say he signed for a month and did his cruciate - what do you think Bournemouth would do, okay Ryan, here's a contract of an equivalent length and value to the one you've just signed with xyz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, aaid said: Maybe he already has another deal lined up which hasn't been announced yet. He's perfectly entitled to do that and also not to sign a short term deal for Bournemouth if he wants to. This was always going to be a problem with restarting the league after such a big gap and going over the period where contracts expire. Say he signed for a month and did his cruciate - what do you think Bournemouth would do, okay Ryan, here's a contract of an equivalent length and value to the one you've just signed with xyz. Could be a lot of players not getting paid any were near what they think they are worth next season so I hope for his sake he has a new deal. Would still have been the decent thing to do despite the odds of him picking up a serious injury,which are extremely low. Think I'll get into the insurance game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Malcolm said: I’m failing to see it with Oli Mcburnie....  every time I watch him there is little movement.  What are his strengths? Oliver McBurnie Characteristics + Strengths Aerial Duels Strong Finishing Strong Holding on to the ball Strong Headed attempts Strong Defensive contribution Strong - Weaknesses Crossing Weak  Oliver McBurnie's Style of Play Likes to cut inside Likes to play long balls Likes to do layoffs Likes to tackle According to who scores.com Not sure about the finishing stat, But Sheff Utd dont create much. Defensive contribution is strong which is part of the reason UTD are were they are.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Could be a lot of players not getting paid any were near what they think they are worth next season so I hope for his sake he has a new deal. Would still have been the decent thing to do despite the odds of him picking up a serious injury,which are extremely low. Think I'll get into the insurance game. Risks of injury probably a lot higher then most professions. Impact of a serious injury, particularly career ending or limiting, even higher. If someone has signed a pre-contract stating they would sign for club X on 1 July, then that would preclude them from signing an extension to their current deal beyond that date.  I'm not saying that's the case here, but we don't know.  I'd be amazed that any player out of contract would sign a short-term extension if they'd either agreed a deal in principle with another club or were pretty confident that they had enough options lined up.  Players who are out of contract with nothing lined up and those whose expectations of a new contract would be at inferior terms is a different story. We also don't know what he's being advised to do, could be he's talking to club xyz who are saying that they don't want him to play for Bournemouth.  Bournemouth have had very good value out of him for £400k so can't really complain. He's also 26 so this next deal is likely to be his final big move. I'm not saying that he'll have been on peanuts but comparatively speaking, I suspect that because he's been at Bournemouth for such a long time and - to an extent - came through the ranks, he'll be far from one of the highest paid players and Bournemouth won't be one of the bigger payers in the division.  It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say he was one of the 50 best players in the EPL - albeit towards the bottom of that ranking - I doubt he's even close to being in the top 100 highest paid players.  It looks like he last signed an extension to his contract three and a half years ago and there were reports at the beginning of the season that suggested he was being offered a new contract as much as £100k a week which was described as a "bumper new contract" which tends to suggest his current deal falls somewhat short of that. Still its very easy to portray a player as being selfish and greedy when there's generally another side to the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: "Any decent guy" Gie us peace - if he gets injured playing next month and is out for a year, do you think Bournemouth would offer him a long term contract on the money he's gonna get elsewhere? He's a better player than a club like Bournemouth, he'll have options and he'd be off his head to risk that to sign a 1 month deal. Might be harsh on Bournemouth but can 100% see where he's coming from. No having it, he could walk out in front of a bus tomorrow and be done so ifs and buts are shite. He should do the decent thing and help them to the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 19 hours ago, Kirk said: His contract isn't up until end of June so he should at least have had the decency to play until then and help the club as much as possible. He's being a selfish dick Outraged for the sake of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintydave Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Kirk said: No having it, he could walk out in front of a bus tomorrow and be done so ifs and buts are shite. He should do the decent thing and help them to the end of the season I would suggest he is more likely to get injured on the field than run over, though dont have the stats to hand to back it up. Ifs and buts, you forgot maybes, because that's all we have. Maybe, he is just a selfish wee prick Maybe, he has signed a deal for someone else meaning he couldn't sign an extension Point is, none of us know. Let's not be so quick to judge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 14 hours ago, aaid said: Risks of injury probably a lot higher then most professions. Impact of a serious injury, particularly career ending or limiting, even higher. If someone has signed a pre-contract stating they would sign for club X on 1 July, then that would preclude them from signing an extension to their current deal beyond that date.  I'm not saying that's the case here, but we don't know.  I'd be amazed that any player out of contract would sign a short-term extension if they'd either agreed a deal in principle with another club or were pretty confident that they had enough options lined up.  Players who are out of contract with nothing lined up and those whose expectations of a new contract would be at inferior terms is a different story. We also don't know what he's being advised to do, could be he's talking to club xyz who are saying that they don't want him to play for Bournemouth.  Bournemouth have had very good value out of him for £400k so can't really complain. He's also 26 so this next deal is likely to be his final big move. I'm not saying that he'll have been on peanuts but comparatively speaking, I suspect that because he's been at Bournemouth for such a long time and - to an extent - came through the ranks, he'll be far from one of the highest paid players and Bournemouth won't be one of the bigger payers in the division.  It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say he was one of the 50 best players in the EPL - albeit towards the bottom of that ranking - I doubt he's even close to being in the top 100 highest paid players.  It looks like he last signed an extension to his contract three and a half years ago and there were reports at the beginning of the season that suggested he was being offered a new contract as much as £100k a week which was described as a "bumper new contract" which tends to suggest his current deal falls somewhat short of that. Still its very easy to portray a player as being selfish and greedy when there's generally another side to the story. Its easier to portray fraser as selfish because he has a questionable record for scotland and he openly admitted to downing tools because he was linked to a bigger club.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, vanderark14 said: Its easier to portray fraser as selfish because he has a questionable record for scotland and he openly admitted to downing tools because he was linked to a bigger club.  It's easier to portray Fraser as selfish when the full facts aren't apparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 4 hours ago, vanderark14 said: Its easier to portray fraser as selfish because he has a questionable record for scotland and he openly admitted to downing tools because he was linked to a bigger club.  Did he admit to downing tools though? Did he not say he lost focus and felt he was playing for himself rather than the team? Thats not downing tools. Any human being is entitled to put themselves first when it comes to their future. Realistically he is looking at a wage around 100k per week for maybe 3 or 4 years. You expect him to risk that to play 7 extra games beyond when his contract expires? Knowing that any injury could result on him having no income until he is fit again? Other than playing to best of ability when selected, players owe clubs nothing. Burnley just released Hart at the end of his contract because they dont need him to extend for the extra 7 games. Loads of clubs in Scotland released players instead of keeping them on furlough. Clubs look after themselves, as they should and as players should. Can you honestly say you would risk 9 months unemployment with no wage by extending your contract for an extra month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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