buckielugger Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 There will also be a hard land border for Gibraltar as things stand. They voted 99% to stay in EU ! And there would be a hard land border between an independent Scotland & an independent England as things stand. But proper land borders are hardly new... What could they entail? Would only freight be affected or all people crossing the border(s). Having travelled to NI a few times and the Republic too (by sea & from NI), I have only ever had full checks when leaving Scotland for NI, and flying from England to NI. Entering the Republic by road or sea has always be totally check free when I've done it. So my experience is that there is very much a full border NOW between Britain & NI, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 The more the Brexiteers imsist the Irish border can be easily sorted with a bit of good will and hi tech, the less easy time claim a Scottish border would be a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Robert Peston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Thought I’d throw this into the mix what if Sinn Fein where to take there seats at Westminster now there’s a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, wheres the pies said: Thought I’d throw this into the mix what if Sinn Fein where to take there seats at Westminster now there’s a thought SinnFein have been an isolationist party insofar as Westminster is concerned for 100 years. Michelle O'Neill the SF leader in NI was on Politics Live earlier in the week and was asked this exact question and she dismissed it out of hand. She also made the point that they sit in the Dail and that's where they see themselves bringing their leverage to bear. Quite an interesting short interview, she was accused of secretly wanting a no deal as it will make an United Ireland/Independent Scotland more likely. Her reply was that Brexit will be damaging for NI, ROI and the U.K. and that while a United Ireland is what gets her up in the morning she wants to take people with her, which is basically what Nicola Sturgeon says whenever she's asked the same question wrt Scotland. Edited October 18, 2018 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger intae them Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Big ol' rally in that London! There's no chance of a backtrack, but people power may still influence the exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Ceelo Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 On 18 October 2018 at 11:45 PM, aaid said: SinnFein have been an isolationist party insofar as Westminster is concerned for 100 years. Michelle O'Neill the SF leader in NI was on Politics Live earlier in the week and was asked this exact question and she dismissed it out of hand. She also made the point that they sit in the Dail and that's where they see themselves bringing their leverage to bear. Quite an interesting short interview, she was accused of secretly wanting a no deal as it will make an United Ireland/Independent Scotland more likely. Her reply was that Brexit will be damaging for NI, ROI and the U.K. and that while a United Ireland is what gets her up in the morning she wants to take people with her, which is basically what Nicola Sturgeon says whenever she's asked the same question wrt Scotland. Do you think there would be a mass migration from NI to Scotland and vice versa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 20 hours ago, The White Ceelo said: Do you think there would be a mass migration from NI to Scotland and vice versa? If you are talking about loads of mad unionists going from NI to Scotland in the event of a United Ireland or the other way in the event of Scotland becoming Independent then I wouldn't expect so. These things are pretty easy to say, a lot more difficult to actually do. Anyway, I reckon that once one part of the UK "goes", the other will follow pretty quickly afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Ceelo Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, aaid said: If you are talking about loads of mad unionists going from NI to Scotland in the event of a United Ireland or the other way in the event of Scotland becoming Independent then I wouldn't expect so. These things are pretty easy to say, a lot more difficult to actually do. Anyway, I reckon that once one part of the UK "goes", the other will follow pretty quickly afterwards. I don't think many will leave Scotland after independence, however if loads of unionists come to Scotland in the case of a united Ireland then independence becomes harder. Lots of plastic paddies took a passport but only to help them get to Europe on holidays, work etc. I really don't think many will return to the mothership. The second referendum needs to happen soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Brexit: Bid to block EU's Northern Ireland 'backstop' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45926828 Steve Baker (a Tory ex minister) has put down amendments to the Northern Ireland bill, ... he wants to make it a legal requirement to get the Stormont Assembly's approval for any plan to treat Northern Ireland differently from the rest of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, exile said: Brexit: Bid to block EU's Northern Ireland 'backstop' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45926828 Steve Baker (a Tory ex minister) has put down amendments to the Northern Ireland bill, ... he wants to make it a legal requirement to get the Stormont Assembly's approval for any plan to treat Northern Ireland differently from the rest of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, exile said: Brexit: Bid to block EU's Northern Ireland 'backstop' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45926828 Steve Baker (a Tory ex minister) has put down amendments to the Northern Ireland bill, ... he wants to make it a legal requirement to get the Stormont Assembly's approval for any plan to treat Northern Ireland differently from the rest of the UK. That's going to be a challenge with no Stormont Assembly in place. Regardless, I don't see that passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-minister-steve-baker-probed-over-cash-from-group-which-donated-to-dup-36296187.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 English mentality eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 "Worried Devon fisherman fears industry will become Theresa May's Brexit ‘bargaining tool’" (who could possibly have imagined that?) [article in Express, click at own risk] [https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1034860/brexit-news-fishing-Theresa-May-latest-deal-negotiations-fishing-quotas-devon] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, exile said: "Worried Devon fisherman fears industry will become Theresa May's Brexit ‘bargaining tool’" (who could possibly have imagined that?) [article in Express, click at own risk] [https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1034860/brexit-news-fishing-Theresa-May-latest-deal-negotiations-fishing-quotas-devon] Sunday Politics Scotland cut off the Record's Davie Clegg as he was about to ask why the Scottish Fishing industry has such a massive fucking lobby on Brexit compared to other industries in Scotland They have never been out the news in the last 2 years whereas Industries that bring in far more cash to Scotland's economy have been ignored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Sunday Politics Scotland cut off the Record's Davie Clegg as he was about to ask why the Scottish Fishing industry has such a massive fucking lobby on Brexit compared to other industries in Scotland They have never been out the news in the last 2 years whereas Industries that bring in far more cash to Scotland's economy have been ignored Feck me, was that Labour just about to have a go at at Tory? No heard that in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Sam Coates TimesVerified account @SamCoatesTimes EXCLUSIVE ** Times sees cabinet papers revealing next stage of brexit Plan ** Brexit transition WILL last for years under TM’s Plan officials say. They warn of “long-running” multi-year transition ** Plan A WILL involve NI in separate VAT area. Officials admit “uncomfortable”. The leak reveals a highly complex plan (“Model A”) under which the U.K. would be given the unilateral option of EITHER extending the implementation plan OR going into the backstop if the FTA isn’t ready by Dec 31 2020 Key sentence about Plan A: “it would be possible to argue alternatively for a rolling (for example annual) decision point, allowing any IP extension to be reviewed and a backstop activated at a later point.” *Annual*? There is a Model B involving an all U.K. customs backstop but the decision to extend it is “not unilateral”. This is not a recommended option, because presumably it could mean the EU able to keep us in this state as long as they want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Michael RussellVerified account @Feorlean Michael Russell Retweeted Sam Coates Times I suspect this is nearly the final straw for #Brexiteers but also not enough to get a deal over the line in the next few weeks. So further confusion & instability likely creating more serious problems for economy, country and standing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) Russia seeks to capitalise on Brexit after blocking Liam Fox's WTO plan Could all those tasty trade deals we were promised be in doubt? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk Edited October 26, 2018 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, exile said: Russia seeks to capitalise on Brexit after blocking Liam Fox's WTO plan Could all those tasty trade deals we were promised be in doubt? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk Interesting that The Guardian headlines the Russians as those to blame. If you want to appropriate blame, then go for the Moldovan's (who feel personally slighted by recent UK immigration policy): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-17/how-tiny-moldova-s-brexit-grudge-could-cost-u-k-1-7-trillion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Dave78 said: Interesting that The Guardian headlines the Russians as those to blame. If you want to appropriate blame, then go for the Moldovan's (who feel personally slighted by recent UK immigration policy): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-17/how-tiny-moldova-s-brexit-grudge-could-cost-u-k-1-7-trillion Its rather amusing to think so many voted for Brexit due to Britain’s lax immigration policy whilst tied to the EU , to then be stuffed on trade due to their overly tight immigration on a Moldovan diplomat 🙂 It is also ironic that many voted to leave the EU as they did not want to be stuck in an organisation where all member states had to agree , especially ‘ those wee diddy countries with nobody in them ‘. How dare they have the same weight as the big players. Now another set of countries have to agree on our entry to the GPA. It stinks of hypocrisy that the UK thinks it can simply gain immediate entry to the GPA as it already holds that position being part of the EU, which it has voted to leave. Were we not told it would be ridiculous to think that Scotland could just rejoin the EU if we voted to leave the UK in 2014? Different situations granted but the concept is the same, one rule for the UK and another rule for the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/04/labour-mps-dont-flirt-with-the-lesser-evil-brexit-deal Incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/04/labour-mps-dont-flirt-with-the-lesser-evil-brexit-deal Incredible Interesting, but which bit is incredible? His analysis of the problem, or his solution? He's saying Chequers is madness, signing up to rules we thought we were leaving for, while giving up rather than taking back control of those rules. Plenty of leavers as well as remainers would agree with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, exile said: Interesting, but which bit is incredible? His analysis of the problem, or his solution? He's saying Chequers is madness, signing up to rules we thought we were leaving for, while giving up rather than taking back control of those rules. Plenty of leavers as well as remainers would agree with that? Nothing actually, the fact the guardian has given Blair a platform (again) makes perfect sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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