Bino's Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Hertsscot said: That's far too easy. Knowing our luck it would be a points deduction and England would still qualify but we'd lose out because of it! guaranteed this will occur we will miss out on the play offs by a point with a wembley draw being anulled slovakia will laugh their way to the play offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: If the SFA and FA really mean that there is more to life than football then this is an excellent idea 90 minutes ? Nearly 1.5 million died in WWI & WWII But im all for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, ceudmilefailte said: If they could both do it together that would be the ultimate tribute for me. Football has become far too important in it's own eyes and this would be quite humbling. utter crap it's over hyped bullsh*t that you cant say no to media and politically driven nothing to do with any of the people that actually fought ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: If the SFA and FA really mean that there is more to life than football then this is an excellent idea Will there be refund for people expecting a game of football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 minute ago, deecie said: Will there be refund for people expecting a game of football? Would you settle for a point right now? Because that'll be our only chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I am not in favour of poppies being used as symbols in football. So I don't think we should be wearing them and I am absolutely against SFA aping FA in defying FIFA. In a normal context it would be 'political' enough to wear a poppy, but in the current political context, how can it not be seen locally as political, the symbolism of Scottish and English teams kitted out in common 'national' symbols defying the world, shoulder to shoulder? If it weren't political, no-one would be arguing about it, right? I think the bringing in of political banners by fans is a different issue. That is, the spontaneous expression of individual fans is different from the teams themselves donning political symbols. Generally I'd be happy to keep politics out of the ground, for fans to self censor if you like, but in a democracy, authorities banning political expression sounds off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Where is ScottyCTA when you need him? Matthew 6:2 "So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do" Donate to charity by all means, but there is no need to make a show of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, Goozay said: Where is ScottyCTA when you need him? Matthew 6:2 "So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do" Donate to charity by all means, but there is no need to make a show of it. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I couldn't agree more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyGC Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I'm all for wearing a poppy and respecting British soliders who fought and have died in past wars and in wars occuring today however, it should be left out of football or any sporting event. I liked the suggestion somebody made earlier of both teams gathering before the game to show their respect with TV cameras / photographers present and make a deal out of it then. Lay a wreath during the Armistice Day Ceremony or something like that but when it comes to the evening focus on the football. Even a minute silence before the game I'd welcome however a competitive Scotland vs England game doesn't come round often, let's enjoy it for what it is and focus on the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Going ahead with it anyway and may cost a point deduction.What if that point costs us qualification ? Point loss wont make a difference to England and well they know it.SFA will do what England does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 8 hours ago, exile said: I am not in favour of poppies being used as symbols in football. So I don't think we should be wearing them and I am absolutely against SFA aping FA in defying FIFA. In a normal context it would be 'political' enough to wear a poppy, but in the current political context, how can it not be seen locally as political, the symbolism of Scottish and English teams kitted out in common 'national' symbols defying the world, shoulder to shoulder? If it weren't political, no-one would be arguing about it, right? I think the bringing in of political banners by fans is a different issue. That is, the spontaneous expression of individual fans is different from the teams themselves donning political symbols. Generally I'd be happy to keep politics out of the ground, for fans to self censor if you like, but in a democracy, authorities banning political expression sounds off. Totally agree, particularly on the difference between fans freedom of expression and teams political gestures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyMiller Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Probably win at Wembley and have the points deducted because of the poppies. Id rather we didn't wear one and play by the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 28 minutes ago, adamntg said: Totally agree, particularly on the difference between fans freedom of expression and teams political gestures. Oh and this logic also means if individual players wished to wear (or not wear) a poppy I wouldn't be banning that, it's like a matter of conscience, and fans bringing in remembrance banners with poppies on them or whatever, that's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyMiller Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Can we all get back to hating England with a passion please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, KennyMiller said: Can we all get back to hating England with a passion please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Poppy time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Regan must go taking on world football over an issue like wearing a poppy whilst not bothering to spend his time restructuring our game so we actually produce footballers of any ability the bulk of his time appears spent trying to milk the most cash out of the fans he is not fit for purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Our FA is pretty bad but can't believe the SFA would even risk a points deduction, however unlikely. It's insane. If FIFA told us prior to the Switzerland that we couldn't wear the 1916 commemorative shirt, It think the vast majority would understand and accept it, apart from a few armchair & keyboard Republicans. The SFA's sad attempt at martyrdom could bite them in the bollocks with a points deduction and FIFA would have to throw the book at Scotland & England if they openly defied a ban. How else could they react? They'd have no choice but to make an example. They're actually doing the team a disservice, not to mention a completely needless distraction to their do or die game at Wembley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 There will NOT be any points deduction no matter what the SFA decides to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 1 hour ago, exile said: Oh and this logic also means if individual players wished to wear (or not wear) a poppy I wouldn't be banning that, it's like a matter of conscience, and fans bringing in remembrance banners with poppies on them or whatever, that's fine. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: There will NOT be any points deduction no matter what the SFA decides to do Only because we won't have any points to deduct. The SFA is completely in the wrong on this one. I don't know what game they're playing but they should stop it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, adamntg said: Only because we won't have any points to deduct. The SFA is completely in the wrong on this one. I don't know what game they're playing but they should stop it now. There is points to deduct. If they wish they could put both teams down to -3 or whatever. But that will NOT happen. It'll be a fine of 50,000 Swiss Francs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 1 hour ago, captain said: Many of those currently squeezed onto the moral high ground over poppies will fall off it when they boo God Save the Queen. This whole topic is a minefield of hypocracy, whatabouterry and double standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: There is points to deduct. If they wish they could put both teams down to -3 or whatever. But that will NOT happen. It'll be a fine of 50,000 Swiss Francs How do you know that will definitely be the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant grebner Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The poppy is a political symbol. If it wasn't there wouldnae be the over the top outpouring of fury from the Tories. The real beemur is the fact that the white settler running the SFA has devoted more energy to this issue than any other in his entire tenure. Get that white settler to fück. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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