Rossy Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedel2016.html http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/calendar2016.html Everything you need to know, all courtesy all of the amazing Bert Kassies, the man who helps UEFA make sense of this incredibly complicated nonsense. Aberdeen and Hearts enter in the first round and are seeded, Hibs enter in the second. Hearts....despite having no pedigree in Europe, finishing behind Aberdeen in the league, and despite Aberdeen beating much higher placed teams in the last 2 years....have a higher co-efficient than Aberdeen and therefore will be seeded in the 2nd round (if they get through the first). Aberdeen need a few seeded teams to lose in the 1st round to have a chance of being seeded in the 2nd, something which can make a considerable difference to advancing. Hibs have a lower co-efficient than both Aberdeen and Hearts and will not be seeded in the 2nd round. The draw for the 1st round is on the 20th June, and after a hectic 6 week period we can all stop thinking about it about it for another year. Edited May 28, 2016 by Rossy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I thought you were away to say it's started already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 Just now, dandydunn said: I thought you were away to say it's started already We're almost there. It starts before the Euro's finish.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Rossy said: We're almost there. It starts before the Euro's finish.... I know. Think it was 2 years ago,we played on the Thursday and the World Cup final was on the Sunday. *I may be wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 minute ago, dandydunn said: I know. Think it was 2 years ago,we played on the Thursday and the World Cup final was on the Sunday. *I may be wrong with that. Nah, you're right. I doubt if Niall McGinn will take any part in our Euro 'campaign', as he'll need a break before the season starts. Let's hope Norn Iron get knocked out quickly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Who cares. Diddy cup and no Scottish teams will compete in the group stages unless Celtic get as far as the parachute drop. Pointless cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 Just now, macy37 said: Who cares. Diddy cup and no Scottish teams will compete in the group stages unless Celtic get as far as the parachute drop. Pointless cup. Thanks for taking part... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Far, far too many teams in that competition. Bring back an equivalent of the Cup Winner's Cup. Transfer some of the teams to that. Makes it more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Hibs v Hearts in the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleboyblue Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I thought, due to the 1St and 2nd qualifying round draw being made on the same day, Aberdeen were assured of being unseeded in round 2? I think we need to draw and beat someone with a coefficient of around 10 or more I.E. Hadjuk split in round 2 to have a chance of being seeded in round 3. Hearts due to being seeded in round 2 have no chance of being seeded in round 3 (since they'll play a non seed in round 2 and be relying on their own coefficient). A bit like how we took rijeka's coefficient in round 3 last year rather than our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) I'm sure someone will explain it, but I've not a feckin clue how or why Hearts have a higher co-efficient than Aberdeen. Edited May 28, 2016 by Rossy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Is because Hearts are a bigger team than Aberdeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 hour ago, DoonTheSlope said: Hibs v Hearts in the final Neither of you will be in the competition after July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) You are actually below Celtic, Rangers, Motherwell, Hearts, Dundee Utd and Hibs in the coefficient list. (in that order) Edit - scrap that I'm looking at a list from June 2015. Edited May 28, 2016 by Angus_Young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, Angus_Young said: You are actually below Celtic, Rangers, Motherwell, Hearts, Dundee Utd and Hibs in the coefficient list. (in that order) Edit - scrap that I'm looking at a list from June 2015. That shows the illogical insanity of the whole thing. Hearts, Hibs, Motherwell and Dundee United have collectively won something like 2 European ties out of 18 in the last 10 years. Their record has been one of the main reasons why Scotland's co-efficient is so pathetic. Aberdeen in the last 2 years have beaten Groningen and Rijeka, teams ranked much higher by UEFA. I'm still waiting to hear why Hearts have a higher co-efficient, despite their record being awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 hour ago, andymac said: Is because Hearts are a bigger team than Aberdeen. 1 minute ago, Rossy said: That shows the illogical insanity of the whole thing. Hearts, Hibs, Motherwell and Dundee United have collectively won something like 2 European ties out of 18 in the last 10 years. Their record has been one of the main reasons why Scotland's co-efficient is so pathetic. Aberdeen in the last 2 years have beaten Groningen and Rijeka, teams ranked much higher by UEFA. I'm still waiting to hear why Hearts have a higher co-efficient, despite their record being awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Pure guess work but I'd imagine Motherwell are higher based on appearing in a champ league qualifier and then the Europa league play off round or whatever it was. Same with Hearts being in the play off round of the Europa league twice in the last 5 years. Even though they never won any I'd imagine it carries more points than earlier round wins? Agree it's daft though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenAngus Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I think I'm right in saying that Dundee Utd last won a tie in 1997/98. Apologies if that's duff info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 hour ago, andymac said: Is because Hearts are a bigger team than Aberdeen. I think it's because Hearts have been talking about a new stadium for longer than Aberdeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Just now, Orraloon said: I think it's because Hearts have been talking about a new stadium for longer than Aberdeen. Just as valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Shows how heavily weighted it is to the bigger teams, Aberdeen and stjohnstone have both beaten higher ranked teams, but Motherwell and hearts got dropped in (and pumped) a round further forward so are ranked higher. I don't understand how he figures it out, but "Bert" was the highlight of this time of year. I was only just romanticising about the pounding the bookies in Swansea took when we went to Llanelli 1-0 down. Motherwell HT/ft and John Sutton 1st goal being the bets of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 9 hours ago, Rossy said: That shows the illogical insanity of the whole thing. Hearts, Hibs, Motherwell and Dundee United have collectively won something like 2 European ties out of 18 in the last 10 years. Their record has been one of the main reasons why Scotland's co-efficient is so pathetic. Aberdeen in the last 2 years have beaten Groningen and Rijeka, teams ranked much higher by UEFA. I'm still waiting to hear why Hearts have a higher co-efficient, despite their record being awful. Aye even if those standing are from last June it still doesn't make a lot of sense. What I do know is that points are taken from the previous 5 years and as is said above the fact Hearts played a couple of play-off ties will have gained them extra. From reading a bit on it, it would also appear that our coefficient at that time would have played a part in it, as well of course Champions League ties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 11 hours ago, Rossy said: Neither of you will be in the competition after July. Neither will you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 (edited) I'm just looking forward to a wee trip abroad in the Sun in July. Hope it's not in Wales. Im also pleased how we have earnt the place in Europe. This game has no bearing on the season. I actually don't want us getting into the groups as it would be a major distraction. J Edited May 29, 2016 by Bristolhibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 (edited) 39 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: Neither will you Maybe not, although we have been the last couple of years. 12 minutes ago, Bristolhibby said: I'm just looking forward to a wee trip abroad in the Sun in July. Hope it's not in Wales. Im also pleased how we have earnt the place in Europe. This game has no bearing on the season. I actually don't want us getting into the groups as it would be a major distraction. J Hibs are unseeded in the 2nd round, so they won't draw a team from Wales. There's a not a single chance that Hibs (or Hearts or Aberdeen) will be in the group stages. Celtic will only get there because they'll fail again in the Champions League. It's better to look upon these games as pre-season friendlies. Edited May 29, 2016 by Rossy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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