Ally Bongo Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Mandate from the people ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 27 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Mandate from the people ? The people in the green bottom-right quarter are the only folk that count. You know this. I see (and i bet you do too) the same nonsense bandied about by anti-SNP unionists who decry the legitimacy of the Scottish government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 35 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Mandate from the people ? The only two sections who count are the blue and the green. If just shy of 13million didn't vote then they really don't have a say, they had the opportunity to vote and never used it, they are an irrelevance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 That 18.8 million number seems high to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldo Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 48 minutes ago, Orraloon said: That 18.8 million number seems high to me. Possibly includes children, EU nationals and people who didn't bother to register on the voters roll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, Coldo said: Possibly includes children, EU nationals and people who didn't bother to register on the voters roll? Along with the people who didn't vote they're opinion on this while debacle is irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: That 18.8 million number seems high to me. Just doing the sums in my head and it looks about right to me. UK population is ~65 million which is what the four sections add up to. The electorate was 46.5 million, so it's probably right. Gibraltar was also included but I can't imagine that's more than 50000. Obviously there are lots of people who were not eligible to vote, mainly under 18s and foreign nationals, Irish citizens of course can vote, but what would be interesting is of the 18.8 million, how many were eligible to vote but were not registered. That gives you a picture of how many people are disenfranchised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 3 hours ago, aaid said: Just doing the sums in my head and it looks about right to me. UK population is ~65 million which is what the four sections add up to. The electorate was 46.5 million, so it's probably right. Gibraltar was also included but I can't imagine that's more than 50000. Obviously there are lots of people who were not eligible to vote, mainly under 18s and foreign nationals, Irish citizens of course can vote, but what would be interesting is of the 18.8 million, how many were eligible to vote but were not registered. That gives you a picture of how many people are disenfranchised. That's there own fault for not registering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 For concerned EU citizens or partners etc Petition for fast track naturalisation https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/150084 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 04/11/2016 at 8:20 PM, Rossy said: Isn't it about time that you started considering the possibility that an independent Scotland may offer a better future than a xenophobic, right-wing, narrow minded rUK ? Or are you happy to unthinkingly settle for the cult of Unionism, regardless ? I live in Scotland. You choose to move. I bring my family up. You choose not to. My family well being is tied up in Scotland. Yours is not. You choose to live in a country who has a very strong populist "right wing" party as 2nd most popular through populism. Yet try to moralise. This is a big reason why the EU vote was lost. Hypocrisy. Insincerity. "Untruths". The cult of the EU will bring it down as it double downs instead of adapting. It's a very dad situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Alan said: I live in Scotland. You choose to move. I bring my family up. You choose not to. My family well being is tied up in Scotland. Yours is not. You choose to live in a country who has a very strong populist "right wing" party as 2nd most popular through populism. Yet try to moralise. This is a big reason why the EU vote was lost. Hypocrisy. Insincerity. "Untruths". The cult of the EU will bring it down as it double downs instead of adapting. It's a very dad situation. Choose self-loathing. Choose a fu*king big television and the Great British Bake-Off. Choose denial. Choose cognitive dissonance, privatised healthcare, and the Daily Mail. Choose Farage, UKIP and "dad situations". Choose unionism. Edited November 6, 2016 by Dave78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 5 hours ago, Dave78 said: Choose self-loathing. Choose a fu*king big television and the Great British Bake-Off. Choose denial. Choose cognitive dissonance, privatised healthcare, and the Daily Mail. Choose Farage, UKIP and "dad situations". Choose unionism. Ach, better to leave him alone. He has the Scottish cringe and can't help himself. He's just a wee boy who's never moved more than 5 minutes away from his mum and sneers at others who do better. More to be pitied than attacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newryrep Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 04/11/2016 at 7:44 PM, aaid said: Now this is a very interesting development. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/martin-mcguinness-refuses-to-rule-out-sinn-fein-taking-westminster-seats-for-first-time-to-block-brexit-35188602.html no its not, ...........its a non story, not a chance in hell it would happen file under 'double decker bus found on moon' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Newryrep said: no its not, ...........its a non story, not a chance in hell it would happen file under 'double decker bus found on moon' I've no doubt that you're right but it's a nice bit of mischief. The only thing to send the Daily Mail brigade into apoplexy more than the SNP derailing Brexit would be if it were Sinn Fein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 I see Theresa May has defended the freedom of the press - nice idea in principle Carry on, guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilser Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) Farage is now going to lead a mob of 100,000 to the Supreme Court as the Brexit appeal starts and has predicted civil unrest. The guy's an unreconstructed fascist. I hope they've got a decent sprinkler system in the building. Edited November 7, 2016 by neilser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, neilser said: Farage is now going to lead a mob of 100,000 to the Supreme Court as the Brexit appeal starts and has predicted civil unrest. The guy's an unreconstructed fascist. I hope they've got a decent sprinkler system in the building. This is all very far away from ordinary Euroscepticism. But it has propelled him into being one of the most powerful voices in the country. The traditional British mainstream parties and commentators seem not to know what to do about it - I mean they will happily cast Salmond as a little dictator, and they will call the Pacific Quay protest an ugly mob, they will and talk of a one party state, and yet in the middle of this there's a guy claiming to represent the 'will of the people' actually threatening to unleash mob rule against the 'enemies of the people'. Edited November 7, 2016 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 And history is being rewritten about what Brexit was supposed to mean. Before the vote, there were several kinds of relationship with the EU touted, the Norway model, the Switzerland model, the Albania model, etc. Farage now seems to be claiming that it was only the hardest Brexit model - with no free movement - that was voted for. But this was only ever a minority view and if that had been on the ballot paper it would not have won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 The Dalriada document http://www.centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/sites/default/files/papers/The Dalriada Document.pdf "how Northern Ireland and Scotland should and could stay within the European Union while remaining inside the United Kingdom " The last paragraph is telling: roughly speaking, if you wished to break up a multi-national state, what the Tory govt is doing is the way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Sky News Newsdesk Verified account @SkyNewsBreak Acting UKIP leader Nigel Farage is in Trump Tower in New York for meetings following the election of Donald Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 3 hours ago, exile said: The Dalriada document http://www.centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/sites/default/files/papers/The Dalriada Document.pdf "how Northern Ireland and Scotland should and could stay within the European Union while remaining inside the United Kingdom " The last paragraph is telling: roughly speaking, if you wished to break up a multi-national state, what the Tory govt is doing is the way to do it. I'll take it. Sounds a well reasoned argument. I hope the likes of the FM and PM are aware of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 14 hours ago, flumax said: I'll take it. Sounds a well reasoned argument. I hope the likes of the FM and PM are aware of this. It manages a rare thing, to take a line that is neither pro or anti independence, reunification, or even Brexit. It says in effect, you could do Brexit (or rather, UKexit) in a way that allows Scotland & NI to get what they voted for, and Eng & Wales for that matter, without either hastening or hindering independence or reunification. Also is the first piece I've seen that draws clear distinctions between the way the two unions (of GB3 and UK4) work, and also the anomalous position of Gibraltar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 First ministers clash over separate Brexit deal for Scotland Welsh leader Carwyn Jones says Nicola Sturgeon’s aim to remain with single market could lead to border posts https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/25/brexit-deal-scotland-clash-nicola-sturgeon-carwyn-jones#comment-88232429 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Carwyn Jones is a dick He would be well suited to Scottish Labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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