Scunnered Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just now, TDYER63 said: But i would argue that the majority of people who voted yes in indyref , whether nationalist or socialist, were either centre or centre left . You were starting from a good platform. I disagree, it was an awful platform for anyone left leaning. The Yes Campaign argued for EU membership, and corporation tax cuts. The RIC campaigned for independence but rejected the Neoliberal nature of Yes Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 43 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said: Sadly this has no chance of happening thanks to Spain and their independence issues with the Catalans. They won't want the boat rocked so will veto any move of this sort. Not so sure about that, I think the circumstances are very different now. I also think the Catalans are well on their way and will be out if Spain before were out of the U.K. - although we might just have gone into the fast lane as of yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 31 minutes ago, aaid said: Not so sure about that, I think the circumstances are very different now. I also think the Catalans are well on their way and will be out if Spain before were out of the U.K. - although we might just have gone into the fast lane as of yesterday. Also does Spain / Catalonia have the same divisions over EU membership?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Those lucky Black Cats... http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/sunderland-to-become-futuristic-metropolis-by-2018-20160625109816 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotunited Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 11 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Those lucky Black Cats... http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/sunderland-to-become-futuristic-metropolis-by-2018-20160625109816 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Scunnered said: I disagree, it was an awful platform for anyone left leaning. The Yes Campaign argued for EU membership, and corporation tax cuts. The RIC campaigned for independence but rejected the Neoliberal nature of Yes Scotland. The YES campaign argued for anything that would make an independant Scotland more palatable to the undecided . Doesnt mean that is what would happen. Just as you were willing to vote Yes with a view to changing things thereafter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: The YES campaign argued for anything that would make an independant Scotland more palatable to the undecided . Doesnt mean that is what would happen. Just as you were willing to vote Yes with a view to changing things thereafter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
they've_been_suckered Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 15 hours ago, Rossy said: Give me your address and I'll send you the Ladybird book on why it may well be more expensive to manufacture goods for the EU, in a country outside the EU. Then maybe you'll get it. Is it a picture book? Must have missed that one in my collection. Fact is you don't actually know what wil unfold, you seem to think you do while I've made no statement either way. That's the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Sturgeon to lobby EU members to support Scotland's bid to remain https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/sturgeon-seeks-urgent-brussels-talks-to-protect-scotlands-eu-membership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 minute ago, exile said: Sturgeon to lobby EU members to support Scotland's bid to remain https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/sturgeon-seeks-urgent-brussels-talks-to-protect-scotlands-eu-membership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Marky said: That is a whopper of such monstrous proportions it could have been in the vow. Are you so narrow minded that you think I support Rangers for any other reason than football? I didn't think the likes of you posted on this forum. I would be offended by your accusation if it was anywhere else other than the TAMB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: The YES campaign argued for anything that would make an independant Scotland more palatable to the undecided. We clearly remember the campaigns differently. Yes Scotland was very much a centre right vision of an independent Scotland, in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Scunnered said: We clearly remember the campaigns differently. Yes Scotland was very much a centre right vision of an independent Scotland, in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just now, Ally Bongo said: Kitty Cat wasn't a part of Yes Scotland. She co-founded the RIC to give an alternative to the Neoliberal nature of Yes Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Scunnered said: Kitty Cat wasn't a part of Yes Scotland. She co-founded the RIC to give an alternative to the Neoliberal nature of Yes Scotland. We were all part of the Yes family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just now, Ally Bongo said: We were all part of the Yes family That's very cringey. I see the mistake. In my post where I said: Quote The Yes Campaign argued for EU membership, and corporation tax cuts I meant to say "Yes Scotland" rather than "Yes Campaign". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Is David Torrance coming round to the idea now?!! https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/brexit-scotland-eu-britain-nicola-sturgeon-independence-referendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 "As for me, I remain a Londoner, English, British, Indian and a European who has lived in Scotland for most of my adult life. And right now I’m not only proud to be here. I’m relieved. " https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/scotland-eu-leave-uk-european Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 54 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: Are you so narrow minded that you think I support Rangers for any other reason than football? I didn't think the likes of you posted on this forum. I would be offended by your accusation if it was anywhere else other than the TAMB. Apologies. I shouldn't have suggested you were lying. That wasn't fair. I suspect you don't even realise it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just now, Marky said: Apologies. I shouldn't have suggested you were lying. That wasn't fair. I suspect you don't even realise it. Lying about what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just now, Marky said: Apologies. I shouldn't have suggested you were lying. That wasn't fair. I suspect you don't even realise it. And by the way. You got it the wrong way round. I wasn't suggesting you supported Rangers because you were a unionist. I was suggesting that you were a unionist because you support Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Marky said: And by the way. You got it the wrong way round. I wasn't suggesting you supported Rangers because you were a unionist. I was suggesting that you were a unionist because you support Rangers. That makes it even more laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 57 minutes ago, Scunnered said: We clearly remember the campaigns differently. Yes Scotland was very much a centre right vision of an independent Scotland, in my humble opinion. That's fair enough but everyone's opinion is based very much on where their own political compass is, given that yours is towards the far left, it's understandable that you take that view but I don't think it's one that would be shared by the majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: That makes it even more laughable. Really? I disagree. i genuinely don't think that being a nationalist and a Rangers fan are compatible. Not a practicing Rangers fan anyway. One that turns up to that cesspit every other week listening to the unionist and sectarian bile being spouted. How could your political beliefs not be conditioned by being a Rangers fan all your life. Like I say. You probably don't even realise it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Marky said: Really? I disagree. i genuinely don't think that being a nationalist and a Rangers fan are compatible. Not a practicing Rangers fan anyway. One that turns up to that cesspit every other week listening to the unionist and sectarian bile being spouted. How could your political beliefs not be conditioned by being a Rangers fan all your life. Like I say. You probably don't even realise it. I know, personally, employees within the SNP who have been ST holders at Ibrox for years, so you are talking out your erse. But will forgive you as your views are typical. I also know many Rangers fans who vote SNP and who voted Yes. But like I said, your views are typical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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