antidote Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 you sir are a fukkin nugget , Carmichael is a lying barsteward ,and you Alan back him up ,get real man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Loads of politicians do it. He's been targeted for nationalist reasons. Unionist media started it by making such a big deal about his leak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Loads of politicians do it. He's been targeted for nationalist reasons. Do loads of Labour politicians do it? https://archive.is/F81R2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Loads of politicians do it. He's been targeted for nationalist reasons. His lie targeted Sturgeon for Unionist reasons. His hate for the SNP...and his believe that he was protected by the Unionist press.....encouraged his pathetic attempt to smear Nicola Sturgeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Saw his interview on the news there, no shame whatsoever. Typical capitalist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckielugger Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 He is a worthless nobody in a dead end minor party. ..that's it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 He is a worthless nobody in a dead end minor party. ..that's it Who's picking up a decent wage for another 4 years. But still it's all about nationalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 It absolutely delights me you are right behind this decision and find the court action contemptible Alan. Means Im probably sitting on the right side of this argument. It just clearly shows him for what he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) I see he claims it was an attempt "to remove the last Scottish Liberal voice at Westminster" as if he is the valiant underdog champion of free speech, rather than a man with all the corruption and arrogance of power attempting to lie to thwart the popular groundswell turning against his party. ...Only to end up symbolising his party's abandonment of principle and disastrous decline He's being urged to pursue costs against those who brought the case, his own constituents. That would be an interesting public relations exercise. Edited December 9, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) That's the true strength of unionism, it can unite rival parties and voters, even in the face of lies and corruption Edited December 9, 2015 by ParisInAKilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I think I'd have had a sliver of respect for the man if he'd come out and admitted making a major mistake and that he'd learn from it - I'd have known he was lying (again) but that would have been the way I'd have played it. What he does, however, is portray the whole thing as a nationalist conspiracy to oust him, whilst heaping strain and pressure on him and his family. Scumbag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 That's the true strength of unionism, it can unite rival parties and voters, even in the face of lies and corruption 3 guesses what unites almost ALL parties Unionist and Nationalist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 3 guesses what unites almost ALL parties Unionist and Nationalist? Murdoch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 The labour party in Scotland made their choice. They chose not to have a left of centre Independent Scottish government and instead elected for perpetual conservative British Rule. Being British was far more important to the Labour party than any hope of being socialist. Labour is a lie. "I am not a nationalist I am a socialist". Aye so you are ye hoor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Murdoch? Actually... Correct as well The labour party in Scotland made their choice. They chose not to have a left of centre Independent Scottish government and instead elected for perpetual conservative British Rule. Being British was far more important to the Labour party than any hope of being socialist. Labour is a lie. "I am not a nationalist I am a socialist". Aye so you are ye hoor. Carmichaels a Lib Dem you silly goose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Carmichaels a Lib Dem you silly goose! I was not blabbing about him specifically. It was notable that pretty much all the real left wingers sided with the SNP at the referendum. The only left' wingers who did not and who openly embraced the tories were the so called Labour party. (They shat on socialist dreams in Scotland with that act.) The SNP is not even a left wing party but clearly it offered real hope to left wingers. That is why so many of them flocked to it. Anyone who thinks the road to social justice is via the Labour party is clearly a mug. But that does not mean the SNP is, it isn't. Just more musings on the nationalist v socialist equivalences... The SNP were able to steal all of the socialist vote from labour without even offering socialism...just the whiff of a chance of it. Edited December 9, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I was not blabbing about him specifically. It was notable that pretty much all the real left wingers sided with the SNP at the referendum. The only left' wingers who did not and who openly embraced the tories were the so called Labour party. (They shat on socialist dreams in Scotland with that act.) The SNP is not even a left wing party but clearly it offered real hope to left wingers. That is why so many of them flocked to it. Anyone who thinks the road to social justice is via the Labour party is clearly a mug. But that does not mean the SNP is, it isn't. Just more musings on the nationalist v socialist equivalences... The SNP were able to steal all of the socialist vote from labour without even offering socialism...just the whiff of a chance of it. Aw shucks That is actually the nicest thing you've ever said to me on here. This is the start of a beautiful friendship! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Aw shucks That is actually the nicest thing you've ever said to me on here. This is the start of a beautiful friendship! And yet like a dug returning to its own vom you are back in the mouldy Labour fold... wtf? But anyway does this not underline the value of pragmatism above idealism. Yeah we all want the world to be a paradise but we have to get there from here (near hell) somehow. Edited December 9, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Loads of politicians do it. He's been targeted for nationalist reasons. Sad day for politics. Sad day if we just shrug our shoulders, wring our hands and say that's the sort of conduct we accept. You might be okay with your representatives lying through their teeth but I'd like to think we deserve better and well done to the Orkney 4 for at least trying to bring about a better standard in politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 And before i forget again Mr S. If you are not a capitalist what are you exactly? (I am a capitalist only in that I cannot think of a workable alternative.) Just between you and me are you a marxist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 And yet like a dug returning to its own vom you are back in the mouldy Labour fold... wtf? But anyway does this not underline the value of pragmatism above idealism. Yeah we all want the world to be a paradise but we have to get there from here (near hell) somehow. Ach call me old fashioned but I've always understood the importance that the Labour party holds for the Labour movement. I imagine that most on the left do, some (the mugs) believe the party can be reclaimed and there has never been a better opportunity. Some see other avenues as the right option. I respect both paths Although saying that, one is backed up by the most comprehensive manifesto for achieving Socialism available today... And the other, hasn't... For the moment. I'm all hears to here it if ever developed/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Just between you and me are you a marxist? Reason has always existed, but not always in a reasonable form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Reason has always existed, but not always in a reasonable form. Meh. I just find that (ultimately) meaningless. How do you see the world working in your view. Who is running the show and how? (I am up for it, if it is fair etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Meh. I just find that (ultimately) meaningless. How do you see the world working in your view. Who is running the show and how? (I am up for it, if it is fair etc) His desired masters in London. By economically holding Scotland back and systematically lying to the Scottish public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 If you haven't already given, or can afford more, then why not give a little. I'm sure the TAMB members can push this along a little. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-versus-carmichael/#/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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