antidote Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Woah woah woah! How come your vision just gets to be flawed and mines is non existent? . You have one immediate thing standing in the way of your goal, Westminster. I have two, Westminster and Holyrood. The most obvious vehicle for your goal is the SNP... I don't like that, it renders your goal of no interest to me. The most obvious vehicle for my goal is the Labour Party and its unique TU links. You don't like that... It renders my goal of no interest to you. Lets just be friends! Very true Don't mind them! I still love you! Well your goal is to maintain a westminster government that rules over Scotland. You'll never get your socialist dream in a million years as middle England is simply not that socialist. That's why the Labour party lurched even more to the right to capture the middle England vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Well your goal is to maintain a westminster government that rules over Scotland. You, sir, are a fecking numpty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) The short answer. Me. The long answer: http://www.communist-party.org.uk/socialism/socialism.html Best enjoyed with a mocha and a custard cream Interesting summary... Once the threat of counter revolution has been irrevocably defeated. Hmmm where have we heard this rhetoric before I wonder. So once 'we' go communist 'you' will make sure it can never be reversed. That to me smacks of purges and the removal of the democratic process. You want to pull the ladder up once you seize power and remove your opposition so they will never threaten your grip on power. Imagine if the right wing avowed to do the same should they achieve power... Overthrown does not sound very democratic neither. This is the language of the last century. In this programme, the Communist Party explains its view that capitalism must be overthrown in the interests of the working class, the people and humanity as a whole. It identifies the forces and the strategy by which the power of the capitalist monopoly corporations and their state can be replaced by state power in the hands of the working class and its allies. The programme argues that socialism is the only alternative system of society that can meet the essential needs of the people and humanity, providing the basis for ending all forms of exploitation and oppression. Once the threat of counter-revolution has been irrevocably defeated, nationally and internationally, the transition from the lower stage of communism to its higher stage can then be completed. Edited December 10, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) Finally socialism is simply a benign form of capitalism (IMHO) - it is not a replacement. That is the problem with getting rid of capitalism. Money makes the wheels of the world go round. Edited December 10, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 So once 'we' go communist 'you' will make sure it can never be reversed. That to me smacks of purges and the removal of the democratic process. There is no political system more democratic than a communist Democratic centralised government... That I'm aware of. I love to learn though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Well your goal is to maintain a westminster government that rules over Scotland. FFS. With people like you at front and centre your goal will never be realised. That saddens me, you'll be this bitter and... Daft for the rest of your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Looking at things pragmatically, the achievements of Atlee's 'socialist' government are still with us today, just, in terms of the NHS, despite decades of battering. I was a beneficiary of the '60s 'socialist' belief in free education - the first member of my family to go to university, and on a full grant. Compare the achievements of post-war Conservative governments or New Labour ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 New Labour ... Well there's my day wrecked already. Read your post and into my head popped all the "achievements" of Peter Mandelson, Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Looking at things pragmatically, the achievements of Atlee's 'socialist' government are still with us today, just, in terms of the NHS, despite decades of battering. I was a beneficiary of the '60s 'socialist' belief in free education - the first member of my family to go to university, and on a full grant. Compare the achievements of post-war Conservative governments or New Labour ... Loads of folk say socialism doesn't work, and they may be right, I don't know. But it's never been tried in this country. In the 300 year history of the UK we have only ever had about 13 years of governments who even claim to be "socialist. And I'm giving Harold Wilson the benefit of doubt in that. It's quite impressive how much they actually managed to achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 FFS. With people like you at front and centre your goal will never be realised. That saddens me, you'll be this bitter and... Daft for the rest of your life. Pot, Kettle, black. So the truth hurts as the insults arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Loads of folk say socialism doesn't work, and they may be right, I don't know. But it's never been tried in this country. In the 300 year history of the UK we have only ever had about 13 years of governments who even claim to be "socialist. And I'm giving Harold Wilson the benefit of doubt in that. It's quite impressive how much they actually managed to achieve. Yup, I put inverted commas around 'socialism' advisedly. Worth noting that Wilson's government kept the UK out of Vietnam as well, unlike Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Pot, Kettle, black. So the truth hurts as the insults arrive. That wasn't an insult... At all. On any planet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 You, sir, are a fecking numpty. Great keyboard warrior there parklife. Just stating the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 There is no political system more democratic than a communist Democratic centralised government... That I'm aware of. I love to learn though. He's at the wind up, right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Just stating the facts. You're my favourite Nat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I have been asked (not really) to share this a by a dear friend who wishes to remain anonymous. But "in the hands of the working class and its allies."Who, or what, are the allies of the working class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 That wasn't an insult... At all. On any planet Maybe not on your deluded planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) There is no political system more democratic than a communist Democratic centralised government... That I'm aware of. I love to learn though. Oh yes I am sure you are right (or left if you prefer). It is very democratic right up to the point you tell them you don't fancy being a communist any more. Then we see the real face of it. Edited December 10, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 You're my favourite Nat. And you're my favourite quisling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Oh yes I am sure you are right (or left if you prefer). It is very democratic right up to the point you tell them you don't fancy being a communist any more. Then we see the real face of it. Tiananmen square and many former soviet states felt that democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Now now there is no need to start playing the man and not the ball. Naughty Socialists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Oh yes I am sure you are right (or left if you prefer). It is very democratic right up to the point you tell them you don't fancy being a communist any more. Then we see the real face of it. ..... Imagine for a second the people didn't fancy a capitalist society anymore Maybe not on your deluded planet. Given the circumstances I'd say it was a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) ..... Imagine for a second the people didn't fancy a capitalist society anymore Given the circumstances I'd say it was a compliment. The alternative being? A suppressive communists state that imprisons and kills its own people. Yes a weirdo planet. Edited December 10, 2015 by antidote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Yup, I put inverted commas around 'socialism' advisedly. Worth noting that Wilson's government kept the UK out of Vietnam as well, unlike Australia. Are you sure about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) The alternative being? A suppressive communists state that imprisons and kills its own people. No ones asking for that . Jeezo! Edit: The irony of your post wasn't lost on me either. Edited December 10, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.thumb.jpg.5eeaf0fbe501ba3c868c32fd77caef1f.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.