Ally Bongo Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) McCoist was fit I think it was Gary McAllister that he was rooming with. Everyone expected McCoist to be the first name on the team sheet and when Roxburgh called a team meeting and named the squad they went back to their rooms McAllister hadnt been selected and McCoist threw him a crossword puzzle book saying he would need it McAllister then realised McCoist did not know he hadnt been picked either At the team meeting Roxburgh had said "Mo and Nally up front" McCoist had wrongly heard "Mo and Ally" McAllister threw him the puzzle book back and said he would need himself McCoist then realized and was gutted I'm almost certain that was the difference between us progressing Only an idiot or a Scot would have broken up the strike force that had got us there. A definite Levein moment where Roxburgh thought he was a better coach than he actually was Edited September 26, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wanderer Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Yeah forgetting this was a little before Fergie arrived. Not sure what Big Ron would've made of him to be fair but it would surely have still been better than simply chasing the bright lights. If he'd gone there and was still there when Ferguson arrived he'd have come much closer to fulfilling his potential. Alternatively, in those days then as you rightly say Liverpool may well have been a good option also. Possibly better than United given the circumstances at the time. Either way Arsenal was a massive error both due to the London factor and the fact that their playing style could not have been a worse fit for his. Was listening to Graham Hunters podcast interview with Charlie Nicholas last night, and he went into surprising detail about his Arsenal move. Man United was his preferred choice, but one meeting with Ron Atkinson put him off for life..... said went for a dinner with Aktinson and Edwards (United Chairman) and throughout the meal Aktkinson only talked about Ron Aktinson, and he could not work with someone like that. Souness, Kenny and Hansen tried to badger him in to going to Liverpool, with Kenny going as far as saying "You will fit straight in here, and you will be my replacement!".... which Charlie said no thanks, as he knew Kenny had 3/4 years still in him, and he was not going to Liverpool to sit on the bench like so many other players who were told that they were the next Souness or Dalglish were doing. There was a offer from Inter Milan, but at 21 years old he did not feel mature enough to go straight from the streets of Glasgow, to living in Italy, and actually viewed it as being young enough that he could look at that option in 2/3 years. Arsenal it was not a case of the bright lights of London attracting him..... said that first year was the lowest he had ever been as he didn't settle (had no driving license so would travel by tube and bus) and for the first year he lived with a mate from Glasgow who came down to keep him company, and then his sister. The whole Champagne Charlie thing of hanging out with Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet did not come until later when he started getting invite after invite to parties. Says Arsenal sold him the vision that it would take them 25 years to achieve almost under Wenger.... when he signed he was told that Liam Brady would be brought back to the club and Ray Wilkins was going to be signed as the final piece of the jigsaw. Really good interview (shame his time at Aberdeen was saved for the last 4 minutes, and surprisingly he is one of the few Aberdeen players from that period with good things to say about Ian Porterfield.... Brian Irvine probably the only other one) and should check out the rest (his Darren Fletcher interview is suppose to be brilliant) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Was listening to Graham Hunters podcast interview with Charlie Nicholas last night, and he went into surprising detail about his Arsenal move. Man United was his preferred choice, but one meeting with Ron Atkinson put him off for life..... said went for a dinner with Aktinson and Edwards (United Chairman) and throughout the meal Aktkinson only talked about Ron Aktinson, and he could not work with someone like that. Souness, Kenny and Hansen tried to badger him in to going to Liverpool, with Kenny going as far as saying "You will fit straight in here, and you will be my replacement!".... which Charlie said no thanks, as he knew Kenny had 3/4 years still in him, and he was not going to Liverpool to sit on the bench like so many other players who were told that they were the next Souness or Dalglish were doing. There was a offer from Inter Milan, but at 21 years old he did not feel mature enough to go straight from the streets of Glasgow, to living in Italy, and actually viewed it as being young enough that he could look at that option in 2/3 years. Arsenal it was not a case of the bright lights of London attracting him..... said that first year was the lowest he had ever been as he didn't settle (had no driving license so would travel by tube and bus) and for the first year he lived with a mate from Glasgow who came down to keep him company, and then his sister. The whole Champagne Charlie thing of hanging out with Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet did not come until later when he started getting invite after invite to parties. Says Arsenal sold him the vision that it would take them 25 years to achieve almost under Wenger.... when he signed he was told that Liam Brady would be brought back to the club and Ray Wilkins was going to be signed as the final piece of the jigsaw. Really good interview (shame his time at Aberdeen was saved for the last 4 minutes, and surprisingly he is one of the few Aberdeen players from that period with good things to say about Ian Porterfield.... Brian Irvine probably the only other one) and should check out the rest (his Darren Fletcher interview is suppose to be brilliant) Will have a listen - thanks for posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Was listening to Graham Hunters podcast interview with Charlie Nicholas last night, and he went into surprising detail about his Arsenal move. Man United was his preferred choice, but one meeting with Ron Atkinson put him off for life..... said went for a dinner with Aktinson and Edwards (United Chairman) and throughout the meal Aktkinson only talked about Ron Aktinson, and he could not work with someone like that. Souness, Kenny and Hansen tried to badger him in to going to Liverpool, with Kenny going as far as saying "You will fit straight in here, and you will be my replacement!".... which Charlie said no thanks, as he knew Kenny had 3/4 years still in him, and he was not going to Liverpool to sit on the bench like so many other players who were told that they were the next Souness or Dalglish were doing. There was a offer from Inter Milan, but at 21 years old he did not feel mature enough to go straight from the streets of Glasgow, to living in Italy, and actually viewed it as being young enough that he could look at that option in 2/3 years. Arsenal it was not a case of the bright lights of London attracting him..... said that first year was the lowest he had ever been as he didn't settle (had no driving license so would travel by tube and bus) and for the first year he lived with a mate from Glasgow who came down to keep him company, and then his sister. The whole Champagne Charlie thing of hanging out with Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet did not come until later when he started getting invite after invite to parties. Says Arsenal sold him the vision that it would take them 25 years to achieve almost under Wenger.... when he signed he was told that Liam Brady would be brought back to the club and Ray Wilkins was going to be signed as the final piece of the jigsaw. Really good interview (shame his time at Aberdeen was saved for the last 4 minutes, and surprisingly he is one of the few Aberdeen players from that period with good things to say about Ian Porterfield.... Brian Irvine probably the only other one) and should check out the rest (his Darren Fletcher interview is suppose to be brilliant) Aye a very interesting insight ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Was listening to Graham Hunters podcast interview with Charlie Nicholas last night, and he went into surprising detail about his Arsenal move. Man United was his preferred choice, but one meeting with Ron Atkinson put him off for life..... said went for a dinner with Aktinson and Edwards (United Chairman) and throughout the meal Aktkinson only talked about Ron Aktinson, and he could not work with someone like that. Souness, Kenny and Hansen tried to badger him in to going to Liverpool, with Kenny going as far as saying "You will fit straight in here, and you will be my replacement!".... which Charlie said no thanks, as he knew Kenny had 3/4 years still in him, and he was not going to Liverpool to sit on the bench like so many other players who were told that they were the next Souness or Dalglish were doing. There was a offer from Inter Milan, but at 21 years old he did not feel mature enough to go straight from the streets of Glasgow, to living in Italy, and actually viewed it as being young enough that he could look at that option in 2/3 years. Arsenal it was not a case of the bright lights of London attracting him..... said that first year was the lowest he had ever been as he didn't settle (had no driving license so would travel by tube and bus) and for the first year he lived with a mate from Glasgow who came down to keep him company, and then his sister. The whole Champagne Charlie thing of hanging out with Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet did not come until later when he started getting invite after invite to parties. Says Arsenal sold him the vision that it would take them 25 years to achieve almost under Wenger.... when he signed he was told that Liam Brady would be brought back to the club and Ray Wilkins was going to be signed as the final piece of the jigsaw. Really good interview (shame his time at Aberdeen was saved for the last 4 minutes, and surprisingly he is one of the few Aberdeen players from that period with good things to say about Ian Porterfield.... Brian Irvine probably the only other one) and should check out the rest (his Darren Fletcher interview is suppose to be brilliant) just listened to that tonight , thanks was really good yeah bit irritating the time spent on the spanish wankfest is monumental compared to his spell at the Dons - i can understand if he played there sounds quite a classy guy though ; i well remember him scoring his pen in the shootout at cup final in 90 and just running off ; professional enough, as he could have missed it my mate reckons his shot on goal though during the game, gave paul elliot to head clear off the line, when he could have hit it low he mentioned "fabric" a lot in the interview for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 just listened to that tonight , thanks was really good yeah bit irritating the time spent on the spanish wankfest is monumental compared to his spell at the Dons - i can understand if he played there sounds quite a classy guy though ; i well remember him scoring his pen in the shootout at cup final in 90 and just running off ; professional enough, as he could have missed it my mate reckons his shot on goal though during the game, gave paul elliot to head clear off the line, when he could have hit it low he mentioned "fabric" a lot in the interview for some reason No problem was listening to the Gordon Strachan one last night (not as good, but still enjoyable). Yeah, his shot in the 1990 SC final is the only clear cut chance I recall in a pretty boring final. Good on him to be professional enough when it came to his penalty, as he could have effectively won the cup for Celtic and got them a place in the ECWC for when he joined them later that summer. The whole full of praise for Gillhaus was surprising, as they were only a partnership for just a few month, and would not say it resurrected his career, as I do not recall him really doing much with Celtic when he went back (though I think he had one good season in the 4/5 years on his return) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 No problem was listening to the Gordon Strachan one last night (not as good, but still enjoyable). Yeah, his shot in the 1990 SC final is the only clear cut chance I recall in a pretty boring final. Good on him to be professional enough when it came to his penalty, as he could have effectively won the cup for Celtic and got them a place in the ECWC for when he joined them later that summer. The whole full of praise for Gillhaus was surprising, as they were only a partnership for just a few month, and would not say it resurrected his career, as I do not recall him really doing much with Celtic when he went back (though I think he had one good season in the 4/5 years on his return) Got half way thru Darren fletcher one after Didn't get into it as much tbh Guess my interest in fitba waned by early - mid 90s so less relevant I was a 2-2 cup game in south stand v Celtic where Nicholas scored the volley - think it was that game... Mason was a great part of the side with Nic and Hans but often overlooked / forgotten about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Nicholas completely underachieved after he left Celtic for Arsenal. Eric Black was Crocker by the time he left for Metz, Weir was a good club player but no better than that to be fair. McAvennie was a fairly late developer then arsed it up himself. Harsh on Weir who destroyed teams in the Cup Winners Cup run and in the Super Cup final. Cooper kept him out the team at the time I suppose, but he probably should have been in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Harsh on Weir who destroyed teams in the Cup Winners Cup run and in the Super Cup final. Cooper kept him out the team at the time I suppose, but he probably should have been in the squad. Cooper's caps in the main came in the second half of the 80s not the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianp Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Andy Weir the Motherwell left winger was a fantastic player, but was overlooked so often because he played for a wee team. Davy Wilson (the original diver) was selected many times more than Andy even although the Motherwell man was far superior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Cooper's caps in the main came in the second half of the 80s not the first.. Around '85 so Weir had 83, 84 to get into the side and should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Looked up the records and he had six caps between 1980 and 1983 and I honestly don't remember him doing anything of note. Of course, the interesting thing was that Ferguson was Stein's assistant manager after that which would tend to suggest he wasn't overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 John Robertson and Davie Provan were around too, the former had a couple of European Cups to his name and was a great, if unusual player. Weir had great pace and presence though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 ratboy obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastiebeastie Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 McAvennie would have won plenty more caps had it not been for the famous naked wi some burrd in the team hotel incident. Pretty certain he was caught by Ernie Walker of all people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 . Around '85 so Weir had 83, 84 to get into the side and should have. Weir was very injury prone towards the end of 83 through to 86, and played less than half the games each season in the two seasons after 1983. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Weir was very injury prone towards the end of 83 through to 86, and played less than half the games each season in the two seasons after 1983.He along with half the Dons team didn't do well away to n Ireland 83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) He along with half the Dons team didn't do well away to n Ireland 83 Mind that game, Peter Weir was being bigged up prior to it and had a stinker... Edit... now I check back it was actually another game I'm thinking about in Belfast in 1980, when Weir was still at St Mirren. Edited October 31, 2015 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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