Orraloon Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Has she come close to achieving world peace which Iain Gray nearly did ? "I spent two years working in the civil war in Mozambique, I've been to Rwanda two months after the genocide, I walked the killing fields in Cambodia and I was in Chile three days after Pinochet was demitted from office...." Gray the internationally renown peacemaker and crisis management expert She got an award from the RSPB. I don't think she likes to boast about it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Cracks appearing in the Corbynet... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35239232 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbruman Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Got to come to a head at some point. The parliamentary labour party is largely made up of Blairites who are at odds with the leadership and the general membership of the party. Either the Blairites regain control or they have to split and set up their own party. One down already with Danczuk . I cant see any other way forward for Corbyn other than to promote non-Blairites and tackle the red tories full on. Usual despicable anti Corbyn reporting from the MSM. Edited January 6, 2016 by irnbruman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Fair play to the Jez man for upsetting those deluded Blairite ####wanks such as John Woodcock, Mike Gapes (check his twitter page, comedy gold), and of course my favourite Midlands MP, Ian "the maggot" Austin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Putting it bluntly irnbruman, I don't think he has the balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) When you look at Corbyn he has a bigger fight internally than he faces externally. He is never going to win a thing in this position. It is the 80's all over again... The SNP would do better putting up candidates in all the english seats IMHO. People would vote for them as an alternative to the stale crap they have on offer now. Maybe launch an ENP and go for it from both sides. Edited January 6, 2016 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) That anti-Scottish kant Tom Blenkinsop, who I've posted about a few times before, has only went and blocked his own fellow Labour MP, Richard Burgon, on Twitter. Richard Burgon's actually one of the good Labour MPs out there, from the old radical English republican socialist tradition. He's worked enthusiastically with the SNP on opposing the welfare reform and trade union bills since being elected and hasn't joined in with the "SNPBad" obsession. Good luck to him. Edited January 6, 2016 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Sensational performance from the main man in PMQ's early, absolutely inspirational! Onslaught from the MSM and the blairites within his party didn't phase him at all. A glorious time to be alive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Sensational performance from the main man in PMQ's early, absolutely inspirational! Onslaught from the MSM and the blairites within his party didn't phase him at all. A glorious time to be alive! Yeah because there are no people going to foodbanks, muslims aren't being demonised, the cost of housing isn't through the roof and the Labour party are standing firm against the Tories on stuff like bombing Syria. To be honest this is about a great a time to be alive as the Thatcher era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Yeah because there are no people going to foodbanks, muslims aren't being demonised, the cost of housing isn't through the roof and the Labour party are standing firm against the Tories on stuff like bombing Syria. To be honest this is about a great a time to be alive as the Thatcher era. The peoples party is being returned to the people, if there has ever been a time to be more enthusiastic about politics I've never heard of it*. *revolutions aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Thatcher was not even that popular I recall. It was as much the utter un-electability of the labour party that gave her a near free run. It is the same now. They are involved in a big naval gazing who are we whank off that will go on for 5-10 years and meanwhile Dave Cameron is riding us all a like a donkey. They are useless pricks and the only success they have had is when they sold their soul and converted to tories FFS. Yes Jeremy is a nice guy but who cares if he cannot achieve anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 When you look at Corbyn he has a bigger fight internally than he faces externally. He is never going to win a thing in this position. It is the 80's all over again... The SNP would do better putting up candidates in all the english seats IMHO. People would vote for them as an alternative to the stale crap they have on offer now. Maybe launch an ENP and go for it from both sides. Your concern for English voters is touching but the thing is that "the stale crap they have on offer" appears to be in the process of being freshened up considerably. Thatcher was not even that popular I recall. It was as much the utter un-electability of the labour party that gave her a near free run. It is the same now. They are involved in a big naval gazing who are we whank off that will go on for 5-10 years and meanwhile Dave Cameron is riding us all a like a donkey. They are useless pricks and the only success they have had is when they sold their soul and converted to tories FFS. Yes Jeremy is a nice guy but who cares if he cannot achieve anything. Thirty-odd years is a long time in politics and we don't know that Corbyn won't achieve anything. It wasn't that long ago that you were saying he'd be lucky to see out Christmas. The shaking up of the cabinet is a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) He was lucky to see out Christmas. He'll be lucky to see out Spring. edit: Corbyn might be the saviour to the members but I am not sure he will be seen the same way by the english electorate. I think he like Ed before is unelectable. Which is also the pattern you saw in the 80"s. You seem to see something here which does not exist IMHO. But this is now and maybe later I will agree with you. And it is stale crap. Edited January 6, 2016 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 He was lucky to see out Christmas. He'll be lucky to see out Spring. I'll get back to you in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) I'll get back to you in June. Or I'll get back to you sooner. edit All i am saying is Corbyn is going to have to be lucky all the time. Edited January 6, 2016 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The worst thing about the Labour party right now is it a lose lose scenario. If Team Corbyn win yaaaay you have your totally unelectable party back circa 198something. Great for you shit for us. If Team Corbyn lose the Blairites will seize power and purge all the lefties. So Tory A or B will be your choice. It is not like this has not all already happened before is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The worst thing about the Labour party right now is it a lose lose scenario. If Team Corbyn win yaaaay you have your totally unelectable party back circa 198something. Great for you shit for us. If Team Corbyn lose the Blairites will seize power and purge all the lefties. So Tory A or B will be your choice. It is not like this has not all already happened before is it? I'm not really a believer in history repeating itself. Labour under Foot lost the '83 election, but there was a swathe of factors specific to the time that lined up against them: a commitment to unilateralism at a particularly nippy time in the Cold War, the Falklands effect with Thatcher leading the last gasp of empire, a Liberal/SDP alliance that massively split the anti-Thatcher vote. A great deal has changed since then. The Cold War is over; the country has experienced Blairism and I doubt it could stomach it again; at present there's no Falklands on the horizon; nor is there a 'third force' south of the border. Who knows? Let's see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 What are these Blairites like? Were they disappointed they weren't sacked, now flouncing out in the huff? Forever whining and undermining. As I said before, hard to see them letting Corbyn a fair shot at the GE, it's looking over I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Labour under Foot lost the '83 election, but there was a swathe of factors specific to the time that lined up against them: a commitment to unilateralism at a particularly nippy time in the Cold War, the Falklands effect with Thatcher leading the last gasp of empire, a Liberal/SDP alliance that massively split the anti-Thatcher vote. An often forgotten factor when people talk of how poorly Michael Foot did in 83. The SDP were hugely popular for a couple of years, polling over 50% at one point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Bush was truly scary. But Obama with all the Hope and Change has been a worse experience. The shit done on his watch makes Bush look like a saint.The Nobel Peace Prize before he even started is nauseating now. So it was with Blair, he was a hope and change merchant.The game is massively rigged as we saw at the referendum. I am very pessimistic about the future at this point. Labour look to be paralysed and the tories are firmly on "Team WW3". Labour may recover in the long term but was it Keynes who said we are all dead in the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 For what it's worth (sod all, admittedly), I never fell for Blair - not for a second. Corbyn may, just may, shake things up sufficiently to coax a massive chunk of those south of the border who've felt disenfranchized for decades. What his enemies in Labour have to contend with is his mandate. Let's see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 This whole labelling of the cabinet reshuffle as "revenge" is such a transparent attempt to undermine Corbyn though. How many times have people been moved out of positions because of similar issues and when has it ever been labelled "revenge" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Corbyn will be stitched up good and proper just as Salmond was and Nicola will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I've been kind of busy with Christmas and shit but seen a few references to the hammer thing. What's it all about?Robroysboy was shopping in the New Years sales when he spotted Tommy McLean, the ex Motherwell manager arguing with his brother Jim while they were in the Asda cafe. Along came the ex-Liverpool player John Barnes to split it up. Jim was trying to eat his dinner but was going mental. He kept spitting out mouthfuls of chips and peas while he was fuming mad. He then tried to continually bash John Barnes over the head with a claw hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Robroysboy was shopping in the New Years sales when he spotted Tommy McLean, the ex Motherwell manager arguing with his brother Jim while they were in the Asda cafe. Along came the ex-Liverpool player John Barnes to split it up. Jim was trying to eat his dinner but was going mental. He kept spitting out mouthfuls of chips and peas while he was fuming mad. He then tried to continually bash John Barnes over the head with a claw hammer. An inflatable one he won at the Bo'ness Gala Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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