thplinth Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I dare say there is a huge amount of money invested in keeping old people alive no matter how much they have to suffer. We are not even a religious country anymore so what else explains this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Apparently defeated 82 to 36 - sounds like the SNP voted against it (if it was voting down party lines). That's a shame but not surprising. It will happen eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) This has apparently become the top method in Asia. Yet to catch on in the west as much. If I had to top myself this would probably be the route I go down... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcoal-burning_suicide There was a story fairly recently about some guy who killed himself and his family (I think one kid survived) because he foolishly took the dying embers of their BBQ into their tent to keep warm. It is ing lethal. Couple of cheap BBQ grills with a bag of charcoal each. Get to the glowing ember stage and put them both into a room / confined space for 2 hours, nothing too drafty, with closed windows doors etc. Enter room and lie down, one hour later or less you are unconscious. Make sure you are not discovered for a reasonable time and good night vienna. I would not promote it but I think we all have to think about our end. It's coming after all. This is dignatas ending without dignatas prices. edit: link to proposed humane death penalty method, someone on TV tried rapid decompression as a method of death penalty, without actually dying of course (they after passing out went into a de/re-compression chamber), hypoxia I think it is. Similar to this suicide method. Painless apparently and with an extremely high success rate. Edited May 27, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I wid still need a large bottle , 40 fags and ma sounds ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Orraloon Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I dare say there is a huge amount of money invested in keeping old people alive no matter how much they have to suffer. We are not even a religious country anymore so what else explains this? I think it might be at least partly down to the practicalities of how to implement and police it. I would be very surprised if a lot of assisted suicide doesn't already happen, but how many folk get prosecuted for it? Maybe a lot of MSPs just shat it and are quite happy to sit back and let other folk make the difficult decisions? I am just speculating of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Fairly even spread among the parties then, although Patrick Harvie was the only leader in favour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Disappointed that the bill was defeated, but don't think anyone who voted against it should be judged too harshly at this time. I do think the parliamentary decision has went against the will of the public, and it will come up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_B81 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Shocking it got rejected but they can't keep ignoring the issue and it will come up again in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Maybe it's rejecting what's in the bill, rather than rejecting assisted suicide in principle - either way it's disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 the enlightened age voters will back it in 20 yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Couple of cheap BBQ grills with a bag of charcoal each. Get to the glowing ember stage and put them both into a room / confined space for 2 hours, nothing too drafty, with closed windows doors etc. Enter room and lie down, one hour later or less you are unconscious. Make sure you are not discovered for a reasonable time and good night vienna. I would not promote it but I think we all have to think about our end. It's coming after all. This is dignatas ending without dignatas prices. edit: link to proposed humane death penalty method, someone on TV tried rapid decompression as a method of death penalty, without actually dying of course (they after passing out went into a de/re-compression chamber), hypoxia I think it is. Similar to this suicide method. Painless apparently and with an extremely high success rate. You'd also need to put a note on the outside door to stop anyone - not 'kitted up, - entering and risking their own safety... no point having uninvited/unwilling company on your last journey. (Unless of course it was sure to be someone you didn't like.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I didn't think it would pass, death is still one of the last great taboo's for our culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Are humans the only animal on the planet to willfully commit suicide? (spare me the lemmings chat ok) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Na animals will do things like stop eating when they are in a bad way. OK they don't jump off a cliff but not eating will speed things along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Are humans the only animal on the planet to willfully commit suicide? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Are humans the only animal on the planet to willfully commit suicide? (spare me the lemmings chat ok) Male spiders? Although they might not know they are going to get eaten after their first shag. You would think their mothers might warn them about it, but we all know how devious females can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Are humans the only animal on the planet to willfully commit suicide? (spare me the lemmings chat ok) Wasps sting themselves to death if they are in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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