Bristolhibby Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 @IrvineWelsh: Tories correct that ban not driven by fox love, but wrong to suggest it's class envy. Simply a hatred of s and their mindless cruelty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilser Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 That's an English fox though, what about the Scottish ones that are getting killed and nothing is being done? Sorry it was announced just now a review is happening now, by coincidence. On a point of order, it's not the national origin of the fox that is the important factor, it's the location of the group of humans at the point in time that the activity in question (I.e. hunting/ quasi hunting) is being carried out that is critical. The fox could be born in Scotland, quite close to the border and have crossed it (possible on many occasions, both ways) and it would still, at the the present time anyway, have that theoretical extra level of protection when the activity was being carried out in England. Similarly, a fox born and raised in England but which crossed the border into Scotland would theoretically have less protection in Scotland despite being 'English' from all relevant perspectives (private international law, FIFA eligibility rules etc)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Scottish foxes are hard as fuk and therefore need harsher treatment to keep them under control. English foxes are wimps and need a bit of extra protection. It's a wee bit like the emergency cold weather heating allowance (or whatever it's called). English folk get it if the temperature drops below 12 degrees for a couple of milliseconds but Scottish folk don't get it until it's been minus 20 for a fortnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 We need border controls to stop English foxes crossing the border and raiding our bins and stealing all our women and jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 On a point of order, it's not the national origin of the fox that is the important factor, it's the location of the group of humans at the point in time that the activity in question (I.e. hunting/ quasi hunting) is being carried out that is critical. The fox could be born in Scotland, quite close to the border and have crossed it (possible on many occasions, both ways) and it would still, at the the present time anyway, have that theoretical extra level of protection when the activity was being carried out in England. Similarly, a fox born and raised in England but which crossed the border into Scotland would theoretically have less protection in Scotland despite being 'English' from all relevant perspectives (private international law, FIFA eligibility rules etc)... Fair point. However, on another point of order I was not inviting a literal translation of my words but more an creating an Aesop Fable by anthropomorphising the Fox. Therefore negating the need for use of international law and FIFA eligibility rules in establishing an actual nationality for a Fox. Much to the chagrin of international Fox right advocate Orraloon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Foxes of the world unite. If cats can learn to read posters, then there is no reason why sometime in the future foxes couldn't form an international solidarity movement. If only somebody would tell them how important they are to UK politics then they might get the boost in confidence required to take the next step along the road to gaining equal civil rights for foxes. If only they could find a foxy version of Rosa Parks to kick it all off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lunger Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Perfidious Caledonia ! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11739635/Nicola-Sturgeons-retreat-from-pinciple-will-spark-surge-in-anti-Scottish-sentiment.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I think it'd be fairer if the foxes could tag-team with wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 We need border controls to stop English foxes crossing the border and raiding our bins and stealing all our women and jobs. On past experience you'd be inviting English foxes with Scottish grannies up over the border like theres no tomorrow !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 On past experience you'd be inviting English foxes with Scottish grannies up over the border like theres no tomorrow !! You're just bitter because no English foxes have managed a team of foxes to the English premier fox league title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Our Scottish foxes invented Penecillin, the TV, the telephone and Tarmac. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) A point of pedantry, but due to the government backing down. The snp have not actually voted on an English and Welsh issue. You reckon this will get trotted out in a few weeks? Edited July 15, 2015 by flumax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 A point of pedantry, but due to the government backing down. The snp have not actually voted on an English and Welsh issue. You reckon this will get trotted out in a few weeks? Viewed in isolation with no context, then yes the SNP haven't voted at all. However, while that holds true, there is a tonne of context missing, implicit votes not realised explicitly will effect change, a "threat/possiblity" that was not previously there is now in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 You reckon this will get trotted out in a few weeks? Only by moronic SNP fanboys, who are to the SNP what Duncan Hothershall is to Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Only by moronic SNP fanboys, who are to the SNP what Duncan Hothershall is to Labour. Political partisans feck up the political process for everyone, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 From what I can see the SNP are being accused of opportunism and hypocrisy over the fox hunting 'vote'. On the first, they are a political party, big deal. On the latter I think that, having been in power in Scotland for years, they are guilty as charged. I always enjoy the Tories making a fool of themselves, and this may yet prove to be the political masterstroke by Sturgeon so many seem to believe, but I thought she was unimpressive in explaining the reasoning behind the SNP's stance and, to me, she and her party rather lowered themselves to the Westminster level. Principles should stand for something, jettisoning one so easily and voting on a clearly English issue is a bad precedent. I'm glad the bill concerning England and Wales was withdrawn but the SNP should be ashamed they have done nothing about the law in Scotland over the past 8 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 It was always going to be tough for the SNP to maintain their principled Scottish-only stance. Easy to do when you've only a handful of MPs, a bit more difficult when you're the UK's third largest party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Worth another share. 'Mon the wolves. 'Mon the foxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Worth another share. 'Mon the wolves. 'Mon the foxes. Pre-ban hunts only killed 5% of killed foxes. Cars were killing many many times more about 100,000 a year. Poisons, shootings, disease etc all killed more. So if the process is to save fox lives hunting is about 5th on the list of death counts. It's logical to tackle the problem with most impact instead of one of the lesser ones. Also if we're talking about animals i posted this to face book on the 22nd of June We're right in the middle of the Holocene extinction era. http://www.livescience.com/51280-the-new-dying-how-human-caused-extinction-affects-the-planet-infographic.html I take no one eats caged hen eggs, or ever had a mcdonald or Burgerking etc as the inhumanity or goes to zoos or Safari parks etc. Nothing wrong with wanting to stick it up the Tories, just don't handicap all future Scottish MP's on their voting rights by the process of sticking one up the tories. Edited July 15, 2015 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Pre-ban hunts only killed 5% of killed foxes. Cars were killing many many times more about 100,000 a year. Poisons, shootings, disease etc all killed more. So if the process is to save fox lives hunting is about 5th on the list of death counts. It's logical to tackle the problem with most impact instead of one of the lesser ones. Also if we're talking about animals i posted this to face book on the 22nd of June We're right in the middle of the Holocene extinction era. http://www.livescience.com/51280-the-new-dying-how-human-caused-extinction-affects-the-planet-infographic.html I take no one eats caged hen eggs, or ever had a mcdonald or Burgerking etc as the inhumanity or goes to zoos or Safari parks etc. Nothing wrong with wanting to stick it up the Tories, just don't handicap all future Scottish MP's on their voting rights by the process of sticking one up the tories. My post was nothing to do with politics, it's about my passion for getting back to nature and letting it take care of itself. No, I don't eat caged chicken eggs or eat McDonald's or Burger King muck, nor do I go to zoos or safari parks. I can only speak for myself but would encourage others to consider getting back to nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I frequently run aboot naked.... (back inside next week..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 My post was nothing to do with politics, it's about my passion for getting back to nature and letting it take care of itself. No, I don't eat caged chicken eggs or eat McDonald's or Burger King muck, nor do I go to zoos or safari parks. I can only speak for myself but would encourage others to consider getting back to nature. Oh right my bad i just assumed it was in the context of fox-hunting politics as that's what everyone else was discussing. Orca prolong seal hunts apparently for fun so it's not just a human trait. Humans should know better though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I am unsure as to why the SNP showed their hand so early on this one. Why didn't they just wait until it came to the vote before letting folk know what they were going to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I am unsure as to why the SNP showed their hand so early on this one. Why didn't they just wait until it came to the vote before letting folk know what they were going to do? To stop it happening before they had to vote? Also some tories are mad cause they said it was going to fail anyway as they had the numbers and now it's unresolved and will have to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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