iainmac1 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Exclusive: SNP defector remains a member of the SNP and says he supports Labour-SNP deal Daily Record claim that Shoaib has "resigned from SNP in disgust" is debunked A YES campaigner who was reported as "defecting" to the Labour party by the Daily Record in a much-hyped front page splash has said he in fact remains a member of the SNP, a supporter of independence and favourable to a Labour-SNP deal at Westminster. On Tuesday, the Daily Record ran a front-page story (click here to read) claiming that Nicola Sturgeon had suffered a "major setback" after activist Muhammad Shoaib was said to have joined the Labour party. Hyping the story up, the tabloid title branded Shoaib an 'SNP boss', although it is unclear why. Shoaib is a former Labour councillor and organiser of Scots Asians for Independence. He joined the SNP in 2007. However, Shoaib has told CommonSpace that while he does want to see a Labour government ahead of the Tories - he would like to see Labour and the SNP work together in a "loose" arrangement following Mays vote. "Basically, Ive not joined Labour and Im still officially a member of the SNP," said Shoaib. Shoaib claimed that he has been under significant "community pressure" and that his position has not changed from 2010 when he also said he would like to see a Labour government at Westminster. "Ive been under a lot of community pressure to come out and say that I support a Labour government. But in 2010 election, I went on BBC and was asked which party do you support in England and my answer was same as I gave to the Daily Record yesterday." When asked what his prefered outcome would be for the 7 May election, Shoaib said that one party would in government would create more "stability". However, he stated that he was favourable towards a Labour-SNP post-election pact. Shaoib said: "Obviously it is one of my wishes that both parties should work together in some sort of loose arrangement. "Both parties have made it clear they dont want a coalition, but they can decide on vote by vote basis. "They could give a more positive government to give our children a better future." The Daily Record claimed that Shoaib believed SNP members secretly wanted a Conservative victory in May's election. However, when speaking to CommonSpace, Shoaib failed to confirm this. Instead, he raised concerns that implicit SNP support for the Green party in England would help the Tories. Shoaib, who has previously been a Labour councillor, put his name forward as an SNP candidate for Westminster earlier this year but lost out in a selection battle to Alison Thewliss. In December 2014, Shoaib had been critical of Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy, commenting that he is a "no go area" for Muslims. He was quoted in the Herald at the time as saying: "Jim Murphy - his past is basically supporting an illegal war in Iraq. He never came out and condemned the Gaza bombings. From a Muslim perspective, those were unforgivable." When CommonSpace asked Shoaib if he felt Murphy was the right man to lead Scottish Labour, he said: "Im not a member of the Labour party so I cant comment on that." Shaoib, who is an organiser of Scots Asians for Independence, insisted that he remains a committed supporter of Scottish independence. "I still hold independence close to my heart. I will still work for Yes whenever the opportunity arises," he told CommonSpace. According to opinion polls, the SNP is set to significantly increase its seats at the forthcoming election and with a hung parliament likely, Labour may be relient on its support in order to form a government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Daily record being 'economical' with the truth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Daily record being 'economical' with the truth... Ach, I'm sure we will get an apology tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 https://commonspace.scot/articles/936/exclusive-snp-defector-remains-a-member-of-the-snp-and-says-he-supports-labour-snp-deal Major lolz. The link isn't working. Maybe the establishment have closed them down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 The link isn't working. Maybe the establishment have closed them down? Yep indeed, its being hosted on wings while the "problems" are solved...nae dirty tricks surely.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Yep indeed, its being hosted on wings while the "problems" are solved...nae dirty tricks surely.... Better no post a link to Wings in case some folk get offended. He's a nasty piece of work ,don't you know. Ach fuk, em. http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-defector-who-wasnt/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 The link isn't working. Maybe the establishment have closed them down? They're claiming a deliberate attack, bollocks , they just weren't prepared for high level traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 They're claiming a deliberate attack, bollocks , they just weren't prepared for high level traffic. That's what I'm thinking, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_B81 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 More mainstream media bollocks clearly designed to try and derail the SNP because they're shit scared that they're going to runaway with the seats up here. The red and blue Tories trying to use the SNP against each other to get votes when the reality is the SNP have no interest in being a coalition with either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 They're claiming a deliberate attack, bollocks , they just weren't prepared for high level traffic. From cyberlabs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 They're claiming a deliberate attack, bollocks , they just weren't prepared for high level traffic. Very clearly. They don't have techies running their website so Im not convinced they'd really know how to differentiate a DDOS attack and a sudden spike in load. I'll be happy for them to prove me wrong, but it almost always looks mental to claim DDOS attack - it diverts attention from the fact that a huge number of people want to read your story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Very clearly. They don't have techies running their website so Im not convinced they'd really know how to differentiate a DDOS attack and a sudden spike in load. I'll be happy for them to prove me wrong, but it almost always looks mental to claim DDOS attack - it diverts attention from the fact that a huge number of people want to read your story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Common Spaces O'Hare now saying the "SNP Boss" is now joining Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Common Spaces O'Hare now saying the "SNP Boss" is now joining Labour. Give it an other hour and I'm sure he will have changed his mind again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Give it an other hour and I'm sure he will have changed his mind again. It's so important that Labour are apparently preparing a statement *facepalm*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 SNP Boss didn't work with Scots Asians for Independence according to........... Scots Asians for Independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 SNP Boss didn't work with Scots Asians for Independence according to........... Scots Asians for Independence. I really hope that you didn't just make that up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I really hope that you didn't just make that up? He didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Looking online there is quite a few quotes attributed to him, putting the boot into Jim Murphy etc, it's really hard to win a propaganda war against clued up folk in this day and age with social media, everyone having access to archives and freedom of information requests etc. I think even Tony Blair said his biggest mistake was the Freedom of information act. On here loads of folk are politically aware as is a lot of the Scottish electorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I got my wires crossed, Jonathon Shafi is confusing me, it was Scots Asians for yes who said they never worked with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 He didn't. Ok, but somebody else must have. This is turning into a farce that Brian Rix would have been proud of. Has anybody drooped their troosers yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I got my wires crossed, Jonathon Shafi is confusing me, it was Scots Asians for yes who said they never worked with him. Scots Asians for Independence apparently don't have any online presence, which is a bit surprising in this day and age. They do have a banner, as I've seen a picture of it, but that could be photo-shopped. The key question still remains unanswered though - Is any of this on YouTube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usainboltyarocket Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Daily record being 'economical' with the truth... The pro Union pro Rangers paper is on a par with nazi propaganda. Their team died and their union will too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The plot thickens (supposedly) Could it be the French? http://www.scotsman.com/news/peter-jones-plot-thickens-in-memogate-1-3739927 or just speculation on the part of the Scotsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The plot thickens (supposedly) Could it be the French? http://www.scotsman.com/news/peter-jones-plot-thickens-in-memogate-1-3739927 or just speculation on the part of the Scotsman It's mince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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