New SNP leader

[DoonTheSlope]

1 hour ago, TDYER63 said:

Yeah , well, what should happen doesn’t actually happen in the real world.
Whilst we are part of this union we will continue to play their game because playing fair in the UK gets you nowhere . If umpteen unelected prime ministers and a foreign secretary who isnt even an MP are accepted at WM then why on earth would the SNP do any different.
And lets not pretend it would be any different with Labour in charge. Their principles sank with their  left wing party years ago.
You are the person always promoting fairness and equality. There will never , ever be a fairness in elections when the Tories are bank rolled by business and Labour bank rolled by, well business now too since their lurch to the right , and the Unions,  who are clearly still clinging to the hope that 1970’s Labour will re-emerge in some Alice In Wonderland fantasy .

 

Eh!

Tories? Westminster? Labour? The Union? Foreign secretaries?

This has absolutely nothing to do with anyone apart from the SNP. Your response is the living embodiment of desperation that reeks from SNP supporters when anyone has the audacity to say anything remotely critical of the SNP

The SNP are held to their own actions and no amount of shite you lot fling elsewhere will change how hypocritical the SNP are

 

[DoonTheSlope]

Election now. We demand a people’s vote.

[hampden_loon2878]

9 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said:

Election now. We demand a people’s vote.

Yeh that’s all scotland needs, starmer with an overall majority, all the North Sea closed down within a decade, 👍

[DoonTheSlope]

19 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Yeh that’s all scotland needs, starmer with an overall majority, all the North Sea closed down within a decade, 👍

That’s been one of the SNP raison d’etre for the last decade in their green agenda shite and selling out the fisherman

But the leader of the SNP at Westminster didn’t even know where the North Sea was so who knows

[Ally Bongo]

 

[phart]

2 hours ago, Orraloon said:

Most of the folk I've heard moaning about it are not SNP members. Most of them also seem to want Kate Forbes to be leader. It seems to be hard for them to accept that Kate Forbes doesn't want the job, not at the moment anyway. It seems pretty pointless trying to vote for somebody who doesn't want the job. 

Putting aside any preferences I have.

Looking at the current climate and what is happening. Forbes playing a pivotal role in Swinney's government, which regardless of what he does, isn't going to perform anywhere near as strongly as the previous two incarnations. So getting experience in more difficult times is a net benefit for her. 

When/if things turn then is the time for her to put her vision forward for independence. Everyone seems to have a plan of just do my own thing and we're there. It sounds fanciful , and at the moment we're on an ebb not a rising tide.

[Ally Bongo]

4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

I think the problem is that they believe that the Independence movement will not be united with the current SNP leadership in charge and that the SNP machine has no real will to push for Independence

I will give them a chance but i'm not holding my breath with devo John - and we don't even know what Freeport Forbes has been offered and whether she will still want to remain on the back benches

Independence is around, and possibly just over, 50% according to the polls - without any campaigning for it 

John Swinney

On independence, he said the party had to persuade people that was Scotland's best option

If the people don't know now that Independence is the best option for Scotland then trust them and let them deal with the consequences

But at the very least start a campaign and fucking run with it unequivocally at every election saying what you will do if they win

This is the problem

[hampden_loon2878]

2 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said:

That’s been one of the SNP raison d’etre for the last decade in their green agenda shite and selling out the fisherman

But the leader of the SNP at Westminster didn’t even know where the North Sea was so who knows

Nah min yer speaking shite, 

[TDYER63]

2 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said:

This has absolutely nothing to do with anyone apart from the SNP. 

 

Eh? 

It has everything to do with politics and what happens in the real world. Its not pretty and its not ‘right’ but its the game everyone plays. Your intentions are admirable but I wouldn’t be signing up as a political strategist anytime soon.
 Do you think, as Hampden Loon says, the SNP are  going to call an election when Labour are so strong? Get real.  

 

 

3 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said:

Your response is the living embodiment of desperation that reeks from SNP supporters when anyone has the audacity to say anything remotely critical of the SNP

 

 

 Have you actually read this thread or do you just pounce in on the things you dont like to hear ? I am a baw hair away from chucking it and almost walked out a meeting during the week, critical doesn’t even touch the surface. 

[exile]

9 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

I would have as much chance of becoming FM than that guy. I would welcome any realistic candidate but IMO this is nothing more than a rush of blood to the head,  then being told to calm doon. 

From what I have seen of him he passionate but also strongly opinionated , too opinionated ,  if Forbes is in a pole position in this government I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being . I don’t blame the guy for trying to make a point, but at this time McCormack would not be a positive move . IMO. 

This. Remember the various 'stalking horses' that challenged various Tory and Labour leaders in recent decades. I can't even remember all their names. It was all a waste of time, a media frenzy, a distraction. The unionist media would have loved it. They scream "stitch-up" now, but if he had stood, it would have been "SNP in split". 

The exception (supporting the 'healthy democracy' view) was Jeremy Corbyn who maybe stood as an outsider, but he was representing a well established tradition/position/wing of the party.

As others have said or implied, in a normal country we could support the idealism of 'healthy debate' but in a country where most parties and media are controlled from outside the country, different rules apply. 

[Ally Bongo]

https://archive.ph/YAH50

Swinney's first task is to get rid of ruinous Sturgeon cabal

John Swinney has only two years to rise to the biggest challenge facing the SNP: how to de-couple it from the ruinous reign of Nicola Sturgeon. It was Humza Yousaf’s failure to do this that led directly to his political downfall barely a year after he had become First Minister of Scotland.

Anyone harbouring doubts as to how harmful the Sturgeon era was for the SNP need only look at all the recent projections for the impending Westminster election. The party is expected to lose up to 28 seats and, of course, much can change in the intervening months. But when some MPs who were confident about holding their seats a few months ago are now telling you they’re not so sure it’s a sign that this party is standing on the precipice of political oblivion.

This is reinforced by the number of SNP diehards telling me that they feel the party needs to experience a spell in opposition at Holyrood to recover fully from the damage wrought by Ms Sturgeon and her acolytes.

Nor can you over-estimate how much the Scottish Greens in government have damaged the SNP’s reputation. The Bute House Agreement lasted almost three years, yet not once during this time did I ever hear an SNP supporter or Scottish nationalist ever say: “The Scottish Greens have been good for us.”

At Holyrood last week, on the day that it became clear that Mr Swinney was virtually assured of becoming First Minister, I expressed my bemusement to several MSPs that Mr Yousaf hadn’t stood his ground and faced down the Sturgeon loyalists who have hollowed out this party. This was greeted with uncomfortable shrugs, but no denials.

He was, after all, the leader of a party that had won more than 10 elections in four different jurisdictions since 2007. He had become leader following a bruising six-week contest barely 14 months ago. He had decided to ditch the two Scottish Green ministers and to terminate their Harry Potter departments because it was becoming clear that they had become an electoral liability and a blight on the wider independence movement.

Then it emerged that a subversive Star Chamber of Sturgeonistas had threatened to fillet him in last week’s no-confidence votes if he cut a deal with Alba’s Ash Regan. It was probably the first time in his gilded life and professional career when he’d ever encountered a hint of jeopardy.

He should have faced down this cabal and simply declared his intention to go to the electorate. Then he should have said something along the lines of “you’d better hope I don’t win. Because if I do, then I’ll see to it that your careers in politics are over (insert your own profanities in the appropriate places)”.

The conduct and clandestine manoeuvring of this faction also confirmed something else many of us had long suspected: that this had never been about Scottish independence for them. Rather, to them the SNP exists merely as a conduit to impose a cultural revolution where science, reason and equality have been replaced by the magic beans of the gender cult. And all of it rooted in the intimidation of feminists and gay people.

The extent to which he can bring back those many activists who have deserted the party specifically because of this will define his tenure.

Reports over the weekend suggest that the Sturgeon faction and the Scottish Greens are now gathering to resist any attempts by Mr Swinney to distance the party from self-ID. The Scottish Greens continue to delude themselves that they have any relevance in the lives of most people living in Scotland.

They’re urging Mr Swinney not to dilute the proposed ban on conversion therapy, even though such a practice is inherently homophobic and seeks to remove vulnerable children from the protection of their parents.

 

Mr Yousaf’s unwillingness to face down these malevolent forces emboldened them to bring him down. Mr Swinney simply cannot allow the Greens or the Sturgeon loyalists to dictate the future direction of his administration.

He could begin the task of marginalising them by appointing Kate Forbes to be his deputy and handing her the Finance brief. No one else in the party is better qualified to handle this area. And no one else is more capable than her of winning over the soft unionist votes required to get independence over the line when the opportunity next presents itself.

 

Ms Forbes too must be prepared to play for keeps. Her Christian faith shouldn’t prevent her from deploying dark political arts and stratagems to rout her opponents within the party. She is possessed of a far greater and more nimble intellect than they and enjoys the support of the party membership. She shouldn’t be above using all of these to expose them and cast them aside.

Mr Swinney must also do as Anas Sarwar has now finally done and declare the scientific truth that transwomen are men and that the full findings of the Cass Review will be implemented with immediate effect. This aligns with the instincts and preferences of the overwhelming majority of Scottish voters.

If he retreats from these challenges - as his predecessor did - then his tenure will last barely much longer than his did.

 

In his acceptance speech yesterday after being formally installed as SNP leader he said his focus will be “the economy, jobs; the cost of living. It will be the NHS, our schools and our public services.” However, he’ll simply not be taken seriously in any of these pursuits if he can’t bring himself to state straightforward scientific truths.

He also said that while the SNP has a mandate to form the government “it does not mean we can stop listening to people and voices outside our party.

The polarisation of politics does not serve our country well.” Later, he said: “We need to stop shouting at each other and talk. More than that, actually, we need to listen.”

Nicola Sturgeon’s refusal to listen to wise counsel inside her own party about the consequences of gender fanaticism and the bullying of females was exposed during the Isla Bryson and Andrew Miller scandals last year.

It’s vital that Mr Swinney sends a clear message to the Scottish public that never again will any Scottish Government allow itself to be manipulated by the Scottish Greens, the most unsuccessful party in the history of the Parliament and the SNP’s most expensive mistake.

If he allows them anywhere near the levers of power then his tenure will end at the 2026 Scottish election.

[DoonTheSlope]

17 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

Eh? 

It has everything to do with politics and what happens in the real world. Its not pretty and its not ‘right’ but its the game everyone plays. Your intentions are admirable but I wouldn’t be signing up as a political strategist anytime soon.
 Do you think, as Hampden Loon says, the SNP are  going to call an election when Labour are so strong? Get real.  

 

 

 Have you actually read this thread or do you just pounce in on the things you dont like to hear ? I am a baw hair away from chucking it and almost walked out a meeting during the week, critical doesn’t even touch the surface. 

It’s the age old whataboutery war cry from the SNP “but Westminster”

Since Useless and the SNP was so keen for a general election after Johnson and Truss packed in he could have called a Scottish election in 2023 when Labour weren’t so strong. But alas he chose to emulate those he so venomously attacked

As I said previously a party of hypocrites

Maybe someone could clear things up for me, one minute the snp supporters are telling me Labour are finished in Scotland and the next minute labour are in a strong position 

[Goozay]

2 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said:

It’s the age old whataboutery war cry from the SNP “but Westminster”

Since Useless and the SNP was so keen for a general election after Johnson and Truss packed in he could have called a Scottish election in 2023 when Labour weren’t so strong. But alas he chose to emulate those he so venomously attacked

As I said previously a party of hypocrites

Maybe someone could clear things up for me, one minute the snp supporters are telling me Labour are finished in Scotland and the next minute labour are in a strong position 

I thought Holyrood operated as a Fixed-Term Parliament

[TDYER63]

9 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said:

It’s the age old whataboutery war cry from the SNP “but Westminster”

Since Useless and the SNP was so keen for a general election after Johnson and Truss packed in he could have called a Scottish election in 2023 when Labour weren’t so strong. But alas he chose to emulate those he so venomously attacked

As I said previously a party of hypocrites

Maybe someone could clear things up for me, one minute the snp supporters are telling me Labour are finished in Scotland and the next minute labour are in a strong position 

Its the age old cry of every opposition party, I think you are on the wind up.

I have already answered your question on why he didn’t call a Scottish election. If the rest of the UK don’t bother their arse calling an election when a new PM or FM is appointed without an election why should he ? Or do we only have to conform to everything the UK does when it suits them? 
Why didn’t the UK government allow a referendum when the SNP had it front of their manifesto and won the 2021 election? 

 

14 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said:

 

Maybe someone could clear things up for me, one minute the snp supporters are telling me Labour are finished in Scotland and the next minute labour are in a strong position 

Here is a novel suggestion, maybe voters change their mind . You will maybe need to ask every SNP supporter that question but I personally have never felt Labour were finished. Every party has a limited time in government and the only real  alternative to the SNP in Scotland is Labour.  People forget and many young folk don’t remember Labour in power. Lucky them. 

And just to make it clear, I support an independent Scotland more than I support any political party. Labour will never have a sniff of my vote till they actually admit that Scotland is not an equal part of this union if we cannot make decisions about our future with WM approval. 

[TDYER63]

31 minutes ago, Goozay said:

I thought Holyrood operated as a Fixed-Term Parliament

It does in the sense that if we had an election now there would also be one in 2026. 

[Ally Bongo]

58 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said:

It’s the age old whataboutery war cry from the SNP “but Westminster”

Since Useless and the SNP was so keen for a general election after Johnson and Truss packed in he could have called a Scottish election in 2023 when Labour weren’t so strong. But alas he chose to emulate those he so venomously attacked

As I said previously a party of hypocrites

Maybe someone could clear things up for me, one minute the snp supporters are telling me Labour are finished in Scotland and the next minute labour are in a strong position 

Labour are finished being the dominant force in Scottish Politics which they held for almost 50 years

If you look at every election, national and local, in the last year the Labour vote in Scotland has not increased

It hasn't even gone up through the old quisling switcheroo tactic from Tory voters

What has happened is that people who normally vote SNP have stayed at home and not voted at all

So yes, Labour are not finished if there is a low turnout and the SNP alienate most of their base vote

And as pointed out elsewhere if there was an election now there would be another in 2026 - normally i would say that all the bleating from Sarwar and Ross is hot air bluffing aided by the Unionist media as neither really want to be seen causing a Holyrood election the same year as a General Election

However as their modus operandi is now denigrating the Scottish Parliament at every opportunity at the very least Sarwar really might want it as there is nothing better to achieve low turnouts than having umpteen elections in a short space of time.

Now - regaring changing leader why should Scotland be any different from England (4) and Wales (2) ? 

 

[Ally Bongo]

17 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

https://archive.ph/YAH50

Swinney's first task is to get rid of ruinous Sturgeon cabal

John Swinney has only two years to rise to the biggest challenge facing the SNP: how to de-couple it from the ruinous reign of Nicola Sturgeon. It was Humza Yousaf’s failure to do this that led directly to his political downfall barely a year after he had become First Minister of Scotland.

Anyone harbouring doubts as to how harmful the Sturgeon era was for the SNP need only look at all the recent projections for the impending Westminster election. The party is expected to lose up to 28 seats and, of course, much can change in the intervening months. But when some MPs who were confident about holding their seats a few months ago are now telling you they’re not so sure it’s a sign that this party is standing on the precipice of political oblivion.

This is reinforced by the number of SNP diehards telling me that they feel the party needs to experience a spell in opposition at Holyrood to recover fully from the damage wrought by Ms Sturgeon and her acolytes.

Nor can you over-estimate how much the Scottish Greens in government have damaged the SNP’s reputation. The Bute House Agreement lasted almost three years, yet not once during this time did I ever hear an SNP supporter or Scottish nationalist ever say: “The Scottish Greens have been good for us.”

At Holyrood last week, on the day that it became clear that Mr Swinney was virtually assured of becoming First Minister, I expressed my bemusement to several MSPs that Mr Yousaf hadn’t stood his ground and faced down the Sturgeon loyalists who have hollowed out this party. This was greeted with uncomfortable shrugs, but no denials.

He was, after all, the leader of a party that had won more than 10 elections in four different jurisdictions since 2007. He had become leader following a bruising six-week contest barely 14 months ago. He had decided to ditch the two Scottish Green ministers and to terminate their Harry Potter departments because it was becoming clear that they had become an electoral liability and a blight on the wider independence movement.

Then it emerged that a subversive Star Chamber of Sturgeonistas had threatened to fillet him in last week’s no-confidence votes if he cut a deal with Alba’s Ash Regan. It was probably the first time in his gilded life and professional career when he’d ever encountered a hint of jeopardy.

He should have faced down this cabal and simply declared his intention to go to the electorate. Then he should have said something along the lines of “you’d better hope I don’t win. Because if I do, then I’ll see to it that your careers in politics are over (insert your own profanities in the appropriate places)”.

The conduct and clandestine manoeuvring of this faction also confirmed something else many of us had long suspected: that this had never been about Scottish independence for them. Rather, to them the SNP exists merely as a conduit to impose a cultural revolution where science, reason and equality have been replaced by the magic beans of the gender cult. And all of it rooted in the intimidation of feminists and gay people.

The extent to which he can bring back those many activists who have deserted the party specifically because of this will define his tenure.

Reports over the weekend suggest that the Sturgeon faction and the Scottish Greens are now gathering to resist any attempts by Mr Swinney to distance the party from self-ID. The Scottish Greens continue to delude themselves that they have any relevance in the lives of most people living in Scotland.

They’re urging Mr Swinney not to dilute the proposed ban on conversion therapy, even though such a practice is inherently homophobic and seeks to remove vulnerable children from the protection of their parents.

 

Mr Yousaf’s unwillingness to face down these malevolent forces emboldened them to bring him down. Mr Swinney simply cannot allow the Greens or the Sturgeon loyalists to dictate the future direction of his administration.

He could begin the task of marginalising them by appointing Kate Forbes to be his deputy and handing her the Finance brief. No one else in the party is better qualified to handle this area. And no one else is more capable than her of winning over the soft unionist votes required to get independence over the line when the opportunity next presents itself.

 

Ms Forbes too must be prepared to play for keeps. Her Christian faith shouldn’t prevent her from deploying dark political arts and stratagems to rout her opponents within the party. She is possessed of a far greater and more nimble intellect than they and enjoys the support of the party membership. She shouldn’t be above using all of these to expose them and cast them aside.

Mr Swinney must also do as Anas Sarwar has now finally done and declare the scientific truth that transwomen are men and that the full findings of the Cass Review will be implemented with immediate effect. This aligns with the instincts and preferences of the overwhelming majority of Scottish voters.

If he retreats from these challenges - as his predecessor did - then his tenure will last barely much longer than his did.

 

In his acceptance speech yesterday after being formally installed as SNP leader he said his focus will be “the economy, jobs; the cost of living. It will be the NHS, our schools and our public services.” However, he’ll simply not be taken seriously in any of these pursuits if he can’t bring himself to state straightforward scientific truths.

He also said that while the SNP has a mandate to form the government “it does not mean we can stop listening to people and voices outside our party.

The polarisation of politics does not serve our country well.” Later, he said: “We need to stop shouting at each other and talk. More than that, actually, we need to listen.”

Nicola Sturgeon’s refusal to listen to wise counsel inside her own party about the consequences of gender fanaticism and the bullying of females was exposed during the Isla Bryson and Andrew Miller scandals last year.

It’s vital that Mr Swinney sends a clear message to the Scottish public that never again will any Scottish Government allow itself to be manipulated by the Scottish Greens, the most unsuccessful party in the history of the Parliament and the SNP’s most expensive mistake.

If he allows them anywhere near the levers of power then his tenure will end at the 2026 Scottish election.

Today

[hampden_loon2878]

4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Today

Gave me the heebie jeebies 

[Orraloon]

12 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said:

 

Maybe someone could clear things up for me, one minute the snp supporters are telling me Labour are finished in Scotland and the next minute labour are in a strong position 

Different people telling you different things?

[Goozay]

On 5/6/2024 at 9:51 PM, Ally Bongo said:

https://archive.ph/YAH50

Swinney's first task is to get rid of ruinous Sturgeon cabal

John Swinney has only two years to rise to the biggest challenge facing the SNP: how to de-couple it from the ruinous reign of Nicola Sturgeon. It was Humza Yousaf’s failure to do this that led directly to his political downfall barely a year after he had become First Minister of Scotland.

Anyone harbouring doubts as to how harmful the Sturgeon era was for the SNP need only look at all the recent projections for the impending Westminster election. The party is expected to lose up to 28 seats and, of course, much can change in the intervening months. But when some MPs who were confident about holding their seats a few months ago are now telling you they’re not so sure it’s a sign that this party is standing on the precipice of political oblivion.

This is reinforced by the number of SNP diehards telling me that they feel the party needs to experience a spell in opposition at Holyrood to recover fully from the damage wrought by Ms Sturgeon and her acolytes.

Nor can you over-estimate how much the Scottish Greens in government have damaged the SNP’s reputation. The Bute House Agreement lasted almost three years, yet not once during this time did I ever hear an SNP supporter or Scottish nationalist ever say: “The Scottish Greens have been good for us.”

At Holyrood last week, on the day that it became clear that Mr Swinney was virtually assured of becoming First Minister, I expressed my bemusement to several MSPs that Mr Yousaf hadn’t stood his ground and faced down the Sturgeon loyalists who have hollowed out this party. This was greeted with uncomfortable shrugs, but no denials.

He was, after all, the leader of a party that had won more than 10 elections in four different jurisdictions since 2007. He had become leader following a bruising six-week contest barely 14 months ago. He had decided to ditch the two Scottish Green ministers and to terminate their Harry Potter departments because it was becoming clear that they had become an electoral liability and a blight on the wider independence movement.

Then it emerged that a subversive Star Chamber of Sturgeonistas had threatened to fillet him in last week’s no-confidence votes if he cut a deal with Alba’s Ash Regan. It was probably the first time in his gilded life and professional career when he’d ever encountered a hint of jeopardy.

He should have faced down this cabal and simply declared his intention to go to the electorate. Then he should have said something along the lines of “you’d better hope I don’t win. Because if I do, then I’ll see to it that your careers in politics are over (insert your own profanities in the appropriate places)”.

The conduct and clandestine manoeuvring of this faction also confirmed something else many of us had long suspected: that this had never been about Scottish independence for them. Rather, to them the SNP exists merely as a conduit to impose a cultural revolution where science, reason and equality have been replaced by the magic beans of the gender cult. And all of it rooted in the intimidation of feminists and gay people.

The extent to which he can bring back those many activists who have deserted the party specifically because of this will define his tenure.

Reports over the weekend suggest that the Sturgeon faction and the Scottish Greens are now gathering to resist any attempts by Mr Swinney to distance the party from self-ID. The Scottish Greens continue to delude themselves that they have any relevance in the lives of most people living in Scotland.

They’re urging Mr Swinney not to dilute the proposed ban on conversion therapy, even though such a practice is inherently homophobic and seeks to remove vulnerable children from the protection of their parents.

 

Mr Yousaf’s unwillingness to face down these malevolent forces emboldened them to bring him down. Mr Swinney simply cannot allow the Greens or the Sturgeon loyalists to dictate the future direction of his administration.

He could begin the task of marginalising them by appointing Kate Forbes to be his deputy and handing her the Finance brief. No one else in the party is better qualified to handle this area. And no one else is more capable than her of winning over the soft unionist votes required to get independence over the line when the opportunity next presents itself.

 

Ms Forbes too must be prepared to play for keeps. Her Christian faith shouldn’t prevent her from deploying dark political arts and stratagems to rout her opponents within the party. She is possessed of a far greater and more nimble intellect than they and enjoys the support of the party membership. She shouldn’t be above using all of these to expose them and cast them aside.

Mr Swinney must also do as Anas Sarwar has now finally done and declare the scientific truth that transwomen are men and that the full findings of the Cass Review will be implemented with immediate effect. This aligns with the instincts and preferences of the overwhelming majority of Scottish voters.

If he retreats from these challenges - as his predecessor did - then his tenure will last barely much longer than his did.

 

In his acceptance speech yesterday after being formally installed as SNP leader he said his focus will be “the economy, jobs; the cost of living. It will be the NHS, our schools and our public services.” However, he’ll simply not be taken seriously in any of these pursuits if he can’t bring himself to state straightforward scientific truths.

He also said that while the SNP has a mandate to form the government “it does not mean we can stop listening to people and voices outside our party.

The polarisation of politics does not serve our country well.” Later, he said: “We need to stop shouting at each other and talk. More than that, actually, we need to listen.”

Nicola Sturgeon’s refusal to listen to wise counsel inside her own party about the consequences of gender fanaticism and the bullying of females was exposed during the Isla Bryson and Andrew Miller scandals last year.

It’s vital that Mr Swinney sends a clear message to the Scottish public that never again will any Scottish Government allow itself to be manipulated by the Scottish Greens, the most unsuccessful party in the history of the Parliament and the SNP’s most expensive mistake.

If he allows them anywhere near the levers of power then his tenure will end at the 2026 Scottish election.

Pardon my ignorance, but apart from Nicola Sturgeon, who is in the "Sturgeon cabal"? Who are her "acolytes"?  

[Ally Bongo]

1 hour ago, Goozay said:

Pardon my ignorance, but apart from Nicola Sturgeon, who is in the "Sturgeon cabal"? Who are her "acolytes"?  

Swinney, Yousaf, Robertson, Robison, Somerville, Gray, Oswald etc etc - it's not hard to work out

Look to who endorsed Humza last year

[Goozay]

31 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Swinney, Yousaf, Robertson, Robison, Somerville, Gray, Oswald etc etc - it's not hard to work out

Look to who endorsed Humza last year

Thanks.

So, Swinney is part of the cabal and his first task is to get rid of the cabal.

So, his first task is to get rid of himself?

[Toepoke]

Kate Forbes appointed deputy FM.

 

[hampden_loon2878]

41 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Kate Forbes appointed deputy FM.

 

Hope she get finance secretary as well

[Ally Bongo]

Greens, wokies, those in same sex marriages, and transexuals losing their shit because Kate Forbes is going to put them all in a concentration camp 

Always be wary of those attacking her on that basis because it is clearly bollocks and she has no interest in rolling back anybody's rights

John Mason might but not her