Indyref 2 (2)

[aaid]

2 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

What?

You said “The Tories have offered the workers of the North East security”.

Anyone who believes that will happen is being taken for a mug. 

[vanderark14]

3 minutes ago, aaid said:

You said “The Tories have offered the workers of the North East security”.

Anyone who believes that will happen is being taken for a mug. 

Thats not how the people of the north east see it - if Oil rigs continue to drill, they will have secure jobs. This is important to them. What assurances have the SNP given to those people re jobs?

I don't think they are mugs, they are very concerned and quite rightly concerned about their futures. 

[phart]

Sunak’s family firm signed a billion-dollar deal with BP before PM opened new North Sea licences

The CEO of one of Infosys' other major clients, Shell, also joined Rishi Sunak's new business council two weeks ago.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sunaks-family-firm-signed-a-billion-dollar-deal-with-bp-before-pm-opened-new-north-sea-licences-353690/

This is being reported

[TDYER63]

29 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

Thats not how the people of the north east see it - if Oil rigs continue to drill, they will have secure jobs. This is important to them. What assurances have the SNP given to those people re jobs?

I don't think they are mugs, they are very concerned and quite rightly concerned about their futures. 

I can absolutely understand people needing job security but in that video with Stephen Flynn he was not saying the SNP would stop drilling he was saying the UK government should be putting conditions on these licences with regards to investment in greener energy . This would further improve job security for the north east and engineers IMO. 
However anything the SNP says goes mainly unreported unless its negative .

If what Phart has posted is correct re Sunak its not just the SNP being played its every single person in the UK. I despair for the route the UK is taking. 

[Ally Bongo]

1 minute ago, TDYER63 said:

I can absolutely understand people needing job security but in that video with Stephen Flynn he was not saying the SNP would stop drilling he was saying the UK government should be putting conditions on these licences with regards to investment in greener energy . This would further improve job security for the north east and engineers IMO. 
However anything the SNP says goes mainly unreported unless its negative .

If what Phart has posted is correct re Sunak its not just the SNP being played its every single person in the UK. I despair for the route the UK is taking. 

It gets better - it is nothing more than a corruption syndicate

Wife of Tory MP who criticised windfall tax on oil firms has £50,000 in BP shares

David Duguid opposing tax while wife is in receipt of BP dividends raises questions over potential conflict of interest

The rules require MPs to declare the financial interests of a spouse or other family member, where there could be considered a conflict. Duguid has never publicly disclosed his wife’s financial interest in the House of Commons register.

[aaid]

8 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

I can absolutely understand people needing job security but in that video with Stephen Flynn he was not saying the SNP would stop drilling he was saying the UK government should be putting conditions on these licences with regards to investment in greener energy . This would further improve job security for the north east and engineers IMO. 
However anything the SNP says goes mainly unreported unless its negative .

If what Phart has posted is correct re Sunak its not just the SNP being played its every single person in the UK. I despair for the route the UK is taking. 

I suspect that it’s the messenger he has a problem with - me -  rather than the message.

Just to add, this isn’t really anything to do with the SNP, it’s the Tories attempting another wedge with Labour. 

Edited August 1, 2023 by aaid

[vanderark14]

3 minutes ago, aaid said:

I suspect that it’s the messenger he has a problem with - me -  rather than the message.

Just to add, this isn’t really anything to do with the SNP, it’s the Tories attempting another wedge with Labour. 

I don't have a problem, at my end we were having a conversation. Nothing more. 

[vanderark14]

I se Sunak is using the Tory handbook - when in doubt offer the plebs cheap booze🤣

[aaid]

18 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I se Sunak is using the Tory handbook - when in doubt offer the plebs cheap booze🤣

Alcohol tax is going up, so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. 

[Hertsscot]

26 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I se Sunak is using the Tory handbook - when in doubt offer the plebs cheap booze🤣

Some winners I believe eg English sparkling wines. Some losers eg Scots whisky. No doubt Tories like Ross, Kerr, Wells etc will be all over this on social media about how bad this will be for Scottish industry and demanding change...or maybe not.

[hampden_loon2878]

5 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

The tories have played an absolute blinder in the north east of scotland here. Left the SNP out in the cold with no come back

Correct, and it was so obvious what was going to happen when sturgeon came out with the idiotic stance,, what do the snp stand for now, before it was built on our oil and gas, our fishing grounds our industry now it the champagne socialist”well being economy” what a fucking joke.. Aaid and his mob need to GTF before the ruin the party completely 

[vanderark14]

1 hour ago, Hertsscot said:

Some winners I believe eg English sparkling wines. Some losers eg Scots whisky. No doubt Tories like Ross, Kerr, Wells etc will be all over this on social media about how bad this will be for Scottish industry and demanding change...or maybe not.

Apparently Brexit is the reason pint prices will fall...............well they will stay the same because of inflation but the tories are painting it as a price cut

[vanderark14]

regarding the new booze price in England - is this similar to what scotland did in 2018?

[aaid]

1 minute ago, vanderark14 said:

Apparently Brexit is the reason pint prices will fall...............well they will stay the same because of inflation but the tories are painting it as a price cut

They’re not actually cutting the price of a pint in a pub, they’re freezing it.  There’re increasing the prices of bottled and can in supermarkets *and* pubs and they’re spinning that as a win for the pub drinker.

incidentally, my local brewery - Rebellion - which is my usual tipple have just announced that they’re putting up their prices due to inflation.

As I said before, don’t believe the Tories. 

[aaid]

1 minute ago, vanderark14 said:

regarding the new booze price in England - is this similar to what scotland did in 2018?

No, it’s an increase in the duty.  

[vanderark14]

1 minute ago, aaid said:

No, it’s an increase in the duty.  

From several media sources there is a change - 

The way alcohol will be taxed will also change as from August, a new system will be introduced and will tax alcoholic drinks according to strength.

 

 

[aaid]

9 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

From several media sources there is a change - 

The way alcohol will be taxed will also change as from August, a new system will be introduced and will tax alcoholic drinks according to strength.

 

 

Yes, it’s a change to the duty, the tax on alcohol.  

Minimum Unit Pricing targets alcohol that is a. cheap and b. strong.  It has no impact on the duty that goes to the government.  

Take for example, vodka.  A bottle of cheap, supermarket brand vodka *might* fall within the MUP limits, a bottle of premium vodka like Grey Goose, would not.   Under these proposals, they would both be subject to the same duty.

[hampden_loon2878]

Let’s get the bute house agreement to fuck, those nut jobs in the greens have to much power for a tiny irrelevant party. Apparently humza hasn’t much time for them what’s so ever so fingers crossed once we get absolutely hammered in the by election, the greens are ushered out, saying that I can see humza complying under pressure when the full scale of the collapse in support is revealed 

[Squirrelhumper]

3 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Let’s get the bute house agreement to fuck, those nut jobs in the greens have to much power for a tiny irrelevant party. Apparently humza hasn’t much time for them what’s so ever so fingers crossed once we get absolutely hammered in the by election, the greens are ushered out, saying that I can see humza complying under pressure when the full scale of the collapse in support is revealed 

That's one thing i actually think Humza might be a benefit in relation to - i don't think he's as desperate to pander to them as Sturgeon was. 

[Freeedom]

Anyone else excited for indyref 2 in October? 

[TDYER63]

42 minutes ago, Freeedom said:

Anyone else excited for indyref 2 in October? 

Least we have the Spain game .  Probably  more chance of winning that just now. 

[Freeedom]

14 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

Least we have the Spain game .  Probably  more chance of winning that just now. 

Yeah, at least the national team are doing us proud. 

But I think it's important to remember what was promised to us by the SNP over and over again and what they have failed to deliver on. 

 

[Alibi]

I think it's fair to say that the SNP are putting out a very mediocre reserve team while people who could get the party back to a strong position seem to be on the bench or on the transfer list - NS admitted to impostor syndrome and I think that's what's behind it.  She didn't have the confidence to let anyone who might actually usurp her position anywhere near positions of power.  Looking back on her time as FM, it's been a sort of slow motion managed decline.  Yousaf is much the same - he has no leadership qualities and comes across as an actor playing a part.  That "first activist" label is cringeworthy when he snubs an indy march for a poorly attended local pride diversion.  As a long term SNP member & indy supporter, I despair at the way they have pushed forward a lot of really poor legislation that few voters like.  If you wanted to destroy a party, that's what you would do.  I notice that Sir Starmer has pretty much turned the Labour Party into a Tory tribute act and I suspect they will find their currently improving poll ratings in Scotland dropping like a stone once the electorate in Scotland wake up to what is happening - how is Sarwar going to sell brexit, no FoM, no indy or indyref, etc.etc. to voters in Scotland?  The MSM and BBC Scotland can't continue to have a news blackout on that forever.

[Ally Bongo]

19 minutes ago, Alibi said:

  The MSM and BBC Scotland can't continue to have a news blackout on that forever.

I would not put money on that

[hampden_loon2878]

26 minutes ago, Alibi said:

I think it's fair to say that the SNP are putting out a very mediocre reserve team while people who could get the party back to a strong position seem to be on the bench or on the transfer list - NS admitted to impostor syndrome and I think that's what's behind it.  She didn't have the confidence to let anyone who might actually usurp her position anywhere near positions of power.  Looking back on her time as FM, it's been a sort of slow motion managed decline.  Yousaf is much the same - he has no leadership qualities and comes across as an actor playing a part.  That "first activist" label is cringeworthy when he snubs an indy march for a poorly attended local pride diversion.  As a long term SNP member & indy supporter, I despair at the way they have pushed forward a lot of really poor legislation that few voters like.  If you wanted to destroy a party, that's what you would do.  I notice that Sir Starmer has pretty much turned the Labour Party into a Tory tribute act and I suspect they will find their currently improving poll ratings in Scotland dropping like a stone once the electorate in Scotland wake up to what is happening - how is Sarwar going to sell brexit, no FoM, no indy or indyref, etc.etc. to voters in Scotland?  The MSM and BBC Scotland can't continue to have a news blackout on that forever.

Good post, describes how I feel, sad to see us/the party like this