Coronavirus

[dandydunn]

On 6/9/2021 at 8:21 AM, Lamia said:

Yeah. But like others I fear it will not be long before all this effort leaves us back to square one. I am hoping that the way the virus is mutating is able to be tracked in some way to make it possible to to develop an updated vaccine quickly. It does seem the successful mutations share similar features so far but of course I am far from expert

Not back to square one, but we’ll certainly be taking a few steps back when circa 15,000 people return from London in the next 2 weeks I fear 😢

[Lamia]

1 hour ago, dandydunn said:

Not back to square one, but we’ll certainly be taking a few steps back when circa 15,000 people return from London in the next 2 weeks I fear 😢

Maybe not back to square one yet but when the vaccine resistant variant appears.

[tartandon]

The relatively low vaccination rates in Glasgow and Edinburgh are worrying

https://twitter.com/TravellingTabby/status/1403715583540072453?s=20

Edited June 12, 2021 by tartandon

[kumnio]

23 minutes ago, tartandon said:

The relatively low vaccination rates in Glasgow and Edinburgh are worrying

https://twitter.com/TravellingTabby/status/1403715583540072453?s=20

The 4 cities have the lowest vaccination rates 😳. Surely they would be the easiest and the highest priorities, there’s surely a higher chance of inflection in a big city, than in the countryside.

[Morrisandmoo]

2 minutes ago, kumnio said:

The 4 cities have the lowest vaccination rates 😳. Surely they would be the easiest and the highest priorities, there’s surely a higher chance of inflection in a big city, than in the countryside.

Is it just age demographics, with cities having more young people (students etc) living there? Or does take-up differ within the same age group?

[tartandon]

1 minute ago, Morrisandmoo said:

Is it just age demographics, with cities having more young people (students etc) living there? Or does take-up differ within the same age group?

I've read reports that uptake is lower in more deprived areas, but haven't seen data to back this up

[Morrisandmoo]

5 minutes ago, tartandon said:

I've read reports that uptake is lower in more deprived areas, but haven't seen data to back this up

If correct, that would be in line with experience up until now. 

[Lamia]

1 hour ago, Morrisandmoo said:

Is it just age demographics, with cities having more young people (students etc) living there? 

This is what I had thought.

[Lamia]

Did I miss the announcement which said social distancing was now scrapped? 🤨

[phart]

No idea.

5.2% positive rate yesterday which doesn't bode well either.

Some more bad news just after that debacle of a game.

[Orraloon]

At least the Scotland players did their bit by not providing any reason for the fans to jump aboot hugging each other. 

[Lamia]

1 hour ago, Orraloon said:

At least the Scotland players did their bit by not providing any reason for the fans to jump aboot hugging each other. 

Didn't seem to stop them though.

My FB is fully of people hugging and sitting right next to each other in groups larger than they should in pubs and other large groups in the ground not bothering to make any effort to socially distance. These people will lead to hospitalisations and deaths but they seem to think their friends are immune from transmitted Covid.

[phart]

 

[Parklife]

12 hours ago, Lamia said:

Didn't seem to stop them though.

My FB is fully of people hugging and sitting right next to each other in groups larger than they should in pubs and other large groups in the ground not bothering to make any effort to socially distance. These people will lead to hospitalisations and deaths but they seem to think their friends are immune from transmitted Covid.

Yeah. People going to their first football game in over a year will be to blame. Top analysis there. 

[phart]

As I keep on saying my personal values don't allow me to respect behaviour which wagers someone elses life to ease their mild suffering.

Our vaccination programme is the furthest along in the whole of europe yet we also have the most cases per capita in europe as well. This is for UK, and Scotland has the worst case rate in the UK.

The more cases we have the more chance of further mutation especially in a semi-vaccinated population that we have now.

 

[Lamia]

9 hours ago, Parklife said:

Yeah. People going to their first football game in over a year will be to blame. Top analysis there. 

Yup they will as will the people who decided it would be a good idea.

I personally don 't know what is so difficult about resisting the urge to hug your mate when it might save a life not to.

Edited June 15, 2021 by Lamia

[Parklife]

1 hour ago, Lamia said:

Yup they will as will the people who decided it would be a good idea.

I personally don 't know what is so difficult about resisting the urge to hug your mate when it might save a life not to.

I don't know what is so difficult about a lot of things that "might save a life" but folk do them every single day.

People who've spent over a year going without things they love aren't to blame for some imaginary scenario that you've just made up in order to allow yourself to feel superior. 

[Lamia]

27 minutes ago, Parklife said:

I don't know what is so difficult about a lot of things that "might save a life" but folk do them every single day.

People who've spent over a year going without things they love aren't to blame for some imaginary scenario that you've just made up in order to allow yourself to feel superior. 

Of course they are. If they haven't figured out how a virus spreads after a year then there is something far wrong.

You can point the finger at me all you like it doesn't change reality

Edited June 15, 2021 by Lamia

[Parklife]

1 hour ago, Lamia said:

Of course they are. If they haven't figured out how a virus spreads after a year then there is something far wrong.

You can point the finger at me all you like it doesn't change reality

Everyone knows how viruses spread. 

You're the one pointing fingers here and placing yourself on a pedestal, all on the basis of an imaginary scenario you've created. It's not "reality", it's complete fiction. 

[Lamia]

1 minute ago, Parklife said:

Everyone knows how viruses spread. 

You're the one pointing fingers here and placing yourself on a pedestal, all on the basis of an imaginary scenario you've created. It's not "reality", it's complete fiction. 

😂

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[Lamia]

By releasing restrictions before enough people had been vaccinated I think we have well and truly f*cked it up. The more cases we have the more chance of variants and if we get one that escapes the vaccine then it is tatties! 

I think it is telling that Scotland has had the highest infection rate for weeks and the opposition parties are saying absolutely nothing. We have release the genie and it is now now going back in the box and goodness knows where that will leave us!

[phart]

Vaccines are still holding strong though.

 

Also since the vaccines target the spike protein that the virus itseld uses to latch onto cells it is hard for it to completely escape and still actually latch onto cells.

We should have been a little more patient and administered the vaccine quicker. Got lucky with the weather being so much hotter as well. If India had been added to red list sooner and we'd vaccinated the same as Wales we'd have mitigate this exit wave a lot better. Both actions seemed reasonable and not hindsight being 20/20 rationalisations.

 

[Morrisandmoo]

On 6/14/2021 at 7:48 PM, Lamia said:

Didn't seem to stop them though.

My FB is fully of people hugging and sitting right next to each other in groups larger than they should in pubs and other large groups in the ground not bothering to make any effort to socially distance. These people will lead to hospitalisations and deaths but they seem to think their friends are immune from transmitted Covid.

I understand this position, but I don't subscribe to it myself. 

Socialising is not an optional part of our existence.  It has always been a dangerous activity that leads to hospitilsations and death. Nevertheless we have for the last couple of hundred thousand years tolerated this risk for the benefits it grants to individuals, society and our species. Today is no different, in except as far as socialising is much safer today than it has been in the past.  

I can accept the argument for a temporary shutdown of social spaces for the immediate protection of lives and our helathcare system. But the longer that shutdown goes on the heavier the negative impacts of social distancing weighs on individuals, society and our species. It's not just convenience that is sacrificed. And everybody will have a different view of when that balance shifts, which we need to respect. 

That being said - keeping the pubs closed until you've materially vaccinated everybody wouldn't have been a particularly unreasonable policy, given how much we'd already given up. However, I think it's very unfair (and certainly unrealistic) to open up pubs and then expect people not to socialise in those spaces or to demonize them for doing what (ultimately) comes naturally to them. It's not that folk think they are immune, it's just that humans (in general) have always accepted that it's worth the risk. 

If excess deaths are on anybody's shoulders then it's the Scottish Government. And nothing is gained by pointing fingers at ordinary folk doing ordinary things.