Bonny79 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Assuming we hold 3rd which we shud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I believe it will be down to FIFA rankings, we need to be in the top 28 teams in Europe, we likely are fine for 3rd especially since we will look like we can end the group with three wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearghal O’Flaherty Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 It won’t make a single bit of difference with Steve Clarke in charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 It's very difficult to qualify for a World cup nowadays I'm afraid. Just group winners go through and then if you do well and get second you're unseeded in the play offs and there's usually tournament teams like Portugal, Croatia and Italy in that. So yes need to be in pot 3 as a minimum. Interested if any pot 3 team actually made the last World cup from europe, Iceland perhaps? Then you have to hope you draw the weakest pot 1 team which in the past has been a country like Romania. Basically it's a very long shot. More of a chance if you combine the nations league again with world cup qualifying although seems Scotland might be in a harder group this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, Tartan Chris said: It's very difficult to qualify for a World cup nowadays I'm afraid. Just group winners go through and then if you do well and get second you're unseeded in the play offs and there's usually tournament teams like Portugal, Croatia and Italy in that. So yes need to be in pot 3 as a minimum. Interested if any pot 3 team actually made the last World cup from europe, Iceland perhaps? Then you have to hope you draw the weakest pot 1 team which in the past has been a country like Romania. Basically it's a very long shot. More of a chance if you combine the nations league again with world cup qualifying although seems Scotland might be in a harder group this time? Pretty sure if they do combine it the fact we are in a higher group will give us a chance of getting a spot that way. There is no way they will allow teams from out side the top two groups to qualify. I would imagine one maybe or two of the highest placed teams in the overall league that have not qualified the normal way will get in this way. Which personally I think is fair if you wan't the best teams in Europe at the finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: It's very difficult to qualify for a World cup nowadays I'm afraid. Just group winners go through and then if you do well and get second you're unseeded in the play offs and there's usually tournament teams like Portugal, Croatia and Italy in that. So yes need to be in pot 3 as a minimum. Interested if any pot 3 team actually made the last World cup from europe, Iceland perhaps? Then you have to hope you draw the weakest pot 1 team which in the past has been a country like Romania. Basically it's a very long shot. More of a chance if you combine the nations league again with world cup qualifying although seems Scotland might be in a harder group this time? If you’re a pot 3 team you’re really relying on the pot 2 team to have a shite campaign. You’ll probably still end up with Holland or Germany or someone similar in the playoffs. The only realistic chance we’ve got of getting to the World Cup again is if we can get into pot 2 (we’ll likely be playing very well if we do that) and the pot 1 team has a howler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamous Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 As of 17/11/19 Scotland is the 29th Ranked team in Europe. Squeeze into Pot 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonny79 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, infamous said: As of 17/11/19 Scotland is the 29th Ranked team in Europe. Squeeze into Pot 3. That finalised for world cup draw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamous Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bonny79 said: That finalised for world cup draw? Not sure when the draw happens but we are unlikely to drop out of Pot 3 if it happens this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 No date for the WC draw, but the might announce that on Wed. 4th Dec along with the qualifying format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) Pretty sure I read it's going to be 10 groups of x number of teams. Group winners go through and then the ten second place teams will go into 3 groups of four teams. Other two teams will be two group winners of next nations league. Top 3 teams also go to World cup. So no play offs and nothing if you finish 3rd in your world cup group so really need to do the same as euros, win the nations group as that's likely best route. I believe though Scotland going to be promoted into group B now so that will be harder. Roll on 2024 I suggest... Have to say I don't really care much about 2022 for where it's being hosted and time of the year, going to be a very artificial world cup so would actually do as The Dark Knight sort of suggested and use the period to get more young players into the team like Billy Gilmour who will surely be ready by then. 2024 euros in Germany will be a very nice tournament, desperately need to be qualifying for that. Edited November 29, 2019 by Tartan Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: Pretty sure I read it's going to be 10 groups of x number of teams. Group winners go through and then the ten second place teams will go into 3 groups of four teams. Other two teams will be two group winners of next nations league. Top 3 teams also go to World cup. So no play offs and nothing if you finish 3rd in your world cup group so really need to do the same as euros, win the nations group as that's likely best route. I believe though Scotland going to be promoted into group B now so that will be harder. Roll on 2024 I suggest... Have to say I don't really care much about 2022 for where it's being hosted and time of the year, going to be a very artificial world cup so would actually do as The Dark Knight sort of suggested and use the period to get more young players into the team like Billy Gilmour who will surely be ready by then. 2024 euros in Germany will be a very nice tournament, desperately need to be qualifying for that. Regardless of where it is being held, unless we get the kindest draw possible we really should be using that time period (even then we still should), to bring through the best of our next generation and stop calling up decent/average back ups in their late 20s, who are just there to make up the numbers. Guys like Gilmour, Johnston (when he is back fully fit), Porteous (I know he got a call up but that felt more due to injury, than a long term plan for him), Turnbull (hopefully he gets back to his pre injury levels, once he is able to play) and hopefully in the next year or 2 a lot of the promising U19s can make inroads to their clubs first teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonny79 Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 Cool 4th December we may see. Getting 2nd in a group is best we could ever do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonny79 Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 Let's see today 4th December Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonny79 Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 Cool. Draw date to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 The 3 play-offs being 3 paths of 4 teams playing a single semifinal and a single final. The 12 teams competing the play-offs will comprise the 10 group runners up plus the top 2 nations League teams not finishing 1st/2nd in the groups. I just wrote out my interpretation there to get it straight in my head. Hope it's clear 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonny79 Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 Whens the draw for groups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, Bonny79 said: Whens the draw for groups? I can't see a WC draw date after all. My guess about a year from now as 1st games are March 2021. Next Nations League group draw I believe is 3-Mar-2020, and games Sep-Nov 2020. Maybe those games will also determine FIFA rankings for the WC group draw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 This is all a pipe dream, but between now and a potential draw in November 2020 - there are allot of competitive points for us. If we were in the top 20 teams in Europe - we would be in pot 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Can't see us being able to qualify for the WC unless they decide to increase the teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggycoo Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 31 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: Can't see us being able to qualify for the WC unless they decide to increase the teams. I think initially FIFA looked at increasing the number of teams for 2022 but the Qatar infrastructure would not be able to cope with this so canned until 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonny79 Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 19 hours ago, romanticscot said: This is all a pipe dream, but between now and a potential draw in November 2020 - there are allot of competitive points for us. If we were in the top 20 teams in Europe - we would be in pot 2. Crack pipe 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Craic pipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 On 11/16/2019 at 6:48 PM, Tartan Chris said: It's very difficult to qualify for a World cup nowadays I'm afraid. Just group winners go through and then if you do well and get second you're unseeded in the play offs and there's usually tournament teams like Portugal, Croatia and Italy in that. So yes need to be in pot 3 as a minimum. Interested if any pot 3 team actually made the last World cup from europe, Iceland perhaps? Then you have to hope you draw the weakest pot 1 team which in the past has been a country like Romania. Basically it's a very long shot. More of a chance if you combine the nations league again with world cup qualifying although seems Scotland might be in a harder group this time? It was always difficult to qualify for a world cup We were just better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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