There is no dark side of the moon

[thplinth]

Trying to reduce DNA to an ‘acid’ and then saying that he was talking about an acid is also bullshit but… just saying. It clearly is more than just an acid.

You are I think one of those folk who think the whole of life is just chemicals dissipating energy… Scotty might be full of shit but you are guys are bursting with it too.

[phart]

Nucleic acid. Nucleotides being the 3 component forms of DNA.

The purpose of life is to hydrogenate carbon dioxide.

 

 

[phart]

Looks like Christmas eve, maybe around midday herefor launch. James Webb been sealed up in launcher now. Problem seemed to be groundside comms issue, resolved now... hopefully.

[Scotty CTA]

On 12/17/2021 at 1:45 PM, exile said:

Science doesn't paint itself into a corner, it always leaves room for doubt and another way out.

What I said was...

On 12/16/2021 at 8:57 PM, Scotty CTA said:

The only thing you've done here is paint yourself into a corner with false theories and assumptions to create that 'conundrum'.

 

On 12/17/2021 at 1:45 PM, exile said:

The 'pieces of information' are just chemical compounds (DNA is an acid).

Deoxyribonucleic acid is a molecule composed of two polynucleotide chains that coil around each other to form a double helix carrying genetic instructions for the development, functioning, growth and reproduction of all known organisms and many viruses.

Try replicating that!

On 12/17/2021 at 1:45 PM, exile said:

Calling an acid a 'language' is a metaphor. 

Yet, if characters are removed (like in a language) it wouldn't work/make sense.

On 12/17/2021 at 1:45 PM, exile said:

Perhaps Nature is, similarly metaphorically, the 'intelligent designer'. 

Where would 'nature' get its' intelligence from, though?

Why not just say' God'?

On 12/17/2021 at 1:45 PM, exile said:

But even if the world was created by an intelligent designer, that doesn't mean evolution didn't happen, or that the Earth is 'flat'.

It does.

God can't lie.

On 12/17/2021 at 1:45 PM, exile said:

Have you come up with an answer yet to my question about the ship travelling east at 60 degrees south?

That sounds familiar.

Could you please ask the whole question again?

[Scotty CTA]

1 hour ago, phart said:

Not to piss on the parade but the solstice cannot exist without a spherical earth.

Now, I know that you're not a fan of Eric Dubay, and I know that you don't subscribe to his flat earth model... but humour me.

If the earth was 'flat' and stationary, does this model work?

Thank you for your time.

(Only 15 minutes... )

 

[Toepoke]

On 12/19/2021 at 10:51 PM, phart said:

Looks like Christmas eve, maybe around midday herefor launch. James Webb been sealed up in launcher now. Problem seemed to be groundside comms issue, resolved now... hopefully.

Blast off planned for 12:20 GMT. Hopefully the kids have finished opening their presents by then and I can stick it on 😬 🎅

 

[phart]

https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/countdown.html

[phart]

Got a green board, so looks like it's going up!

[exile]

11 hours ago, Scotty CTA said:

Could you please ask the whole question again?

In the spirit of a Christmas Quiz 'for all the family'

The question was 

sted September 12, 2019 (edited)

On 1/12/2019 at 3:41 PM, exile said:

http://www.3develop.nl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/wereldkaart-pinguin-projectie.jpg

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/files/heading_flatearththeory.jpg

Now here's a question for everyone.

Suppose you're in a ship positioned just north of the northernmost point on Antarctica. [Where black dot is on the map below] You sail on a straight course due east.  Where do you end up?

(a) Where you started from.

(b) You crash into Antarctica (whose frigid shore is on your right.) 

(c) You go off at a tangent (and eventually hit another continent, not Antarctica).

 

Under a globehead assumption the question looks like this:

 

"Some have already offered answers before but this question is reposted, for any genuine Flat Earth believers."

 

[exile]

 I checked and you did answer that question but I asked another one...

 

On 4/10/2020 at 4:49 PM, Scotty CTA said:

Circumnavigation would be the same on a flat earth as it would be on a globe.

One would just (generally speaking) follow the lines of latitude.

If you're thinking that I'd hit Antarctica on a flat earth, then that could only occur if I were heading South, and not East.

On 4/10/2020 at 5:48 PM, exile said:

 

Thanks!

So can you tell me why, on a flat earth, a ship sailing due east on a completely straight course, would feel a tug on its rudder that would drag it round in a perfect circle as it circumnavigated the south seas? What force would be tugging on the rudder to make it veer to the left, rather than travel straight on to point b?

This could be done as a real experiment...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So put another way, if you say "Circumnavigation would be the same on a flat earth as it would be on a globe. One would just (generally speaking) follow the lines of latitude."

...doesn't this imply the lines of latitude would actually be curved, and you would sail the south seas, according to your senses in a straight line due east, at fixed latitude, but end up having described a circle? 

 

Merry Christmas anyway!

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by exile

[phart]

Flawless seperation, 29 days to L2!

[Scotty CTA]

3 hours ago, exile said:

Merry Christmas anyway!

Merry Christmas, Brother!

[Scotty CTA]

On 12/25/2021 at 7:10 AM, phart said:

Got a green board screen, so looks like it's going up!

 

[Toepoke]

On 12/25/2021 at 12:54 PM, phart said:

Flawless seperation, 29 days to L2!

Follow the journey here...

https://webb.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

 

[phart]

5 hours ago, Toepoke said:

Follow the journey here...

https://webb.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

 

I've managed to track it a bit via telescope as well. These green screens they have nowadays are amazing

[Toepoke]

 

 

[phart]

11 hours ago, Toepoke said:

Follow the journey here...

https://webb.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

 

It's pretty weird (not when you think about it though) when you look and see a third of the journey is done already after 3 days, passed the orbit of the moon now as well.

[chaff]

11 hours ago, Toepoke said:

Follow the journey here...

https://webb.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

 

Thanks for that, fascinating stuff

[Toepoke]

6 hours ago, phart said:

It's pretty weird (not when you think about it though) when you look and see a third of the journey is done already after 3 days, passed the orbit of the moon now as well.

Yeah when I heard how far it had to travel I thought it would take a lot less time at escape velocity but I suppose it has to slow considerably to avoid overshooting L2.

 

[Scotty CTA]

On 1/5/2019 at 11:13 AM, Huddersfield said:

Have you tested any of the challenges/experiments that were put to you on the other thread? If not, then your understanding is being weakened by an unwillingness to consider alternative evidence, which is something FE proponents tend to accuse everyone else of.

On 1/5/2019 at 11:21 AM, Scotty CTA said:

Unfortunately time is against me.

Fair enough.

(It's on the list.)

The experiment with the sticks and shadows ASSUMES that the sun is 93 million miles away.

However, Flat Earthers know that the sun is a lot smaller and a lot closer than we've been 'taught'.

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One of the most common alleged proofs quoted for the spherical Earth theory is the Eratosthenes sticks and shadows experiment. Many people may remember NASA spokesman Carl Sagan presenting this experiment by using a map of Egypt with two obelisks attached and showing their resulting shadows. The story goes that around 250 B.C. a Greek mathematician and philosopher named Eratosthenes noted that at noon during the Summer Solstice in Syene, the Sun cast no shadow and the rays could reach straight to the bottom of his well, yet meanwhile in Alexandria a vertically standing metal rod cast a significant shadow. Eratosthenes, Carl Sagan, and other globe proponents reason that this result is impossible on a flat Earth. To quote Carl Sagan, "If at a certain moment each stick casts no shadow at all, that is perfectly easy to understand provided the Earth is flat. If the shadow at Syene is a certain length, and the shadow at Alexandria is the same length, that also makes sense on a flat Earth. But how could it be, Eratosthenes asked, that at the same instant there was no shadow at Syene and a very substantial shadow at Alexandria? The only answer (he claimed) was that the surface of the Earth is curved." After reaching this conclusion, Eratosthenes then famously factored the length of the two shadows with his assumed distance to the Sun and recorded a measurement of the globe Earth's circumference close to what heliocentrist astronomers still use today.

 

The fact of the matter is, however, that Eratosthenes, Sagan, and others are simply incorrect in their assumption that this would only be possible on a curved Earth. In reality, the exact same results occur on a flat Earth with a local Sun. Eratosthenes’ calculations were made assuming the Sun to be millions of miles away so that its rays would fall perfectly parallel even in points as divergent as Syene and Alexandria. Anyone familiar with the phenomenon known as crepuscular rays, however, knows full well that the Sun's rays simply do NOT fall perfectly parallel, especially at such distant points, rendering the entire argument moot. Furthermore, using sextants and plane trigonometry, by measuring the Sun’s angle at two points on Earth simultaneously and factoring their distance from each other, the Pythagorean theorum reveals that the Sun is NOT millions of miles away, but instead less than a few thousand. High altitude balloon footage has also filmed lighting hot-spots on clouds further proving the Sun to be local and acting as a spotlight. Therefore if globe believers wish to be honest, they must admit it is their faulty assumption that only a distant Sun with parallel rays could produce such results which has led to their faulty conclusion of a curved Earth, because Flat Earthers have always maintained that the Sun was local, and the very existence of crepuscular rays render the entire experiment invalid.

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Scotty CTA

[Scotty CTA]

Oops

Edited December 29, 2021 by Scotty CTA

[Scotty CTA]

On 12/25/2021 at 7:41 AM, exile said:

So put another way, if you say "Circumnavigation would be the same on a flat earth as it would be on a globe. One would just (generally speaking) follow the lines of latitude."

...doesn't this imply the lines of latitude would actually be curved, and you would sail the south seas, according to your senses in a straight line due east, at fixed latitude, but end up having described a circle? 

The model would be similar to a dart board lying flat on a table.

The lines of latitude would indeed be circular.

It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; Isaiah 40:22

 

 

[exile]

5 hours ago, Scotty CTA said:

The model would be similar to a dart board lying flat on a table.

The lines of latitude would indeed be circular.

It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; Isaiah 40:22

 

 

 

So you are agreeing that someone on a vessel on a steady forward course (not steering to left or right) is in fact imperceptibly, counter-intuitively on a curved course?

In other words it sounds as if you are admitting that it's possible to experience a straight forward trajectory, but over the vast distance of the Earth, for it turn out to be a curved course. That sounds as if it debunks the argument that the Earth can't be a globe because it is experienced as having a flat surface, rather than a curved one. 

All that requires explanation is the mysterious force causing the straight forward moving vessel to follow the curved course....

[Scotty CTA]

3 hours ago, exile said:

So you are agreeing that someone on a vessel on a steady forward course (not steering to left or right) is in fact imperceptibly, counter-intuitively on a curved course?

The vessel would be on a 'circular' course.

3 hours ago, exile said:

 All that requires explanation is the mysterious force causing the straight forward moving vessel to follow the curved course....

The 'circular' course would occur because the vessel had a power source (wind, etc.) and a compass.

As kids, we were taught that Magellan circumnavigating the earth proved a globe, but it clearly doesn't.

[Toepoke]

11 hours ago, Scotty CTA said:

The model would be similar to a dart board lying flat on a table.

The lines of latitude would indeed be circular.

It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; Isaiah 40:22