phart Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: The term 'attrib.' in the dictionary is a grammar term. It means that the word, in this case 'Hun', is an attributive noun (which means it can join directly to another noun as a modifier, as in the phrase 'Hun bastard'). Like any decent dictionary, this one lists examples of the term in print, showing its usage. The meaning of any word depends on its usage, not solely on its definition. The entry for 'Hun' in the 2005 supplement gives three examples of its use as an abusive term for 'Protestant' in print, the earliest of which is from The Patter (this, presumably, is the earliest printed source that the compilers could find; that would be the conventional way of doing it). Dictionaries based on historical principles (which are the ones that list examples of usage), don't list all the times a term has been used, but just sufficient to show the meaning or shifting shades of meaning, hence the further quotes from the article in the Herald and in Welsh's Acid House. It's no more or less than that. The word isn't being 'defined' (or attributed), examples of its use in print with a particular meaning are being recorded. I wasn't thinking Attrib meant attributed. Cheers for the rest, I was unaware they are just citing random examples of usage, though the citing seems a bit ropey. Especially with the Welsh quote, i'm not sure how they know it is synonymous with protestant in that quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, phart said: I wasn't thinking Attrib meant attributed. Cheers for the rest, I was unaware they are just citing random examples of usage, though the citing seems a bit ropey. Especially with the Welsh quote, i'm not sure how they know it is synonymous with protestant in that quote. So they could just cite someone saying it form here and then include that as an example of usage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: Off course it won't be. Why would SKY show a Scottish Cup quarter final replay instead of a heavyweight clash that involves some shite like Northampton Town vs MK Dons Sky aren't showing a live game on the Wednesday (I know the game's on the Tuesday), seems they couldn't give a toss about Scottish football when they get the opportunity to show a game. Although, you would've thought the BBC might have been able to show it - even if it was just on their website. Edited March 6, 2018 by Clyde1998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 38 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: The fact that a large percentage of Rangers fans are (or were) Protestant doesn't make it an abusive term for Protestants. I wouldn't say 'Hun' is sectarian phrase given that it's pretty much exclusively used towards Rangers fans - similar to how 'Tim' is used towards Celtic fans (in comparison to 'Taig' or 'Fenian' which is used towards the Catholic community at large). Complain to Dundee University. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Larky Masher said: Complain to Dundee University. Nah Donny has explained it all now. No need to complain it wasn't saying what you thought it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGP Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, Ormond said: I’m to blame for you coming out with taig. Brilliant. No blame. I made a point based on your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, phart said: I wasn't thinking Attrib meant attributed. Cheers for the rest, I was unaware they are just citing random examples of usage, though the citing seems a bit ropey. Especially with the Welsh quote, i'm not sure how they know it is synonymous with protestant in that quote. Yes, good point. I don't see that either. Also interesting that the Herald quote, slightly enlarged, is used to show both uses of 'Hun'. 6 minutes ago, phart said: So they could just cite someone saying it form here and then include that as an example of usage? I've not seen online usage in a printed dictionary (not that I've bought one for years, and they're dying out), but the modern way of going is to collect all usage into a 'corpus' of the language and use that as the basis for studying linguistic evolution, and it's almost entirely made up of online chatter. I no longer work in a place that gives me access to the online OED, and I'm too tight to subscribe myself, but that's where to look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, phart said: Nah Donny has explained it all now. No need to complain it wasn't saying what you thought it was. You are approaching peak tedium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: Yes, good point. I don't see that either. Also interesting that the Herald quote, slightly enlarged, is used to show both uses of 'Hun'. I've not seen online usage in a printed dictionary (not that I've bought one for years, and they're dying out), but the modern way of going is to collect all usage into a 'corpus' of the language and use that as the basis for studying linguistic evolution, and it's almost entirely made up of online chatter. I no longer work in a place that gives me access to the online OED, and I'm too tight to subscribe myself, but that's where to look. Here's the OED extract 5. Sc. (Glasgow) and Irish English (north.) colloq. (derogatory and usually considered offensive). Also with lower-case initial. A Protestant. Also: a supporter of or player for Rangers Football Club in Glasgow, traditionally associated with the Protestant community. 1985 M. Munro Patter 36 Hun, a nickname for a Protestant. Also a vague nonsectarian insult much used in football chants like ‘The referee's a hun’ or ‘Go home ya hun’. 1993 I. Welsh Trainspotting (1994) 66 Ye ken Scott Nisbet, the fitba player likesay? He's in the Huns..eh Rangers first team. 2001 K. Fearon & A. Verlaque Lurgan Champagne & Other Tales 15 In the Catholic school lots of people go round saying ‘the Huns this and the Huns that’, but whenever you are in school mixing with Protestants there is nothing like that. 2003 J. Mullaney We'll be Back 225 One of the punters was talking to Matt about football and told him he was a Rangers' fan. Matt immediately called him a ‘dirty fucking Hun’ at which the guy took great exception. 2009 Belfast News Let. (Nexis) 8 July Glarryford Orange Hall in Co Antrim was daubed with republican graffiti on Sunday night when vandals sprayed ‘IRA’ and ‘Huns out’ on the walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Larky Masher said: You are approaching peak tedium. And yet impotent to do anything about it, must be a hard life David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: Yes, good point. I don't see that either. Also interesting that the Herald quote, slightly enlarged, is used to show both uses of 'Hun'. I've not seen online usage in a printed dictionary (not that I've bought one for years, and they're dying out), but the modern way of going is to collect all usage into a 'corpus' of the language and use that as the basis for studying linguistic evolution, and it's almost entirely made up of online chatter. I no longer work in a place that gives me access to the online OED, and I'm too tight to subscribe myself, but that's where to look. Seems to cite a couple more and add geographical context to usage. Cheers for citing it Larky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, phart said: And yet impotent to do anything about it, must be a hard life David. I'm a bemused bystander wondering about your delusions of relevance. Oh aye and I've got on-line access to the OED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, TGP said: No blame. I made a point based on your post. You didn't make a point, Blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Larky Masher said: I'm a bemused bystander wondering about your delusions of relevance. Oh aye and I've got on-line access to the OED. It's a message board, no one is relevant ya dafty. Check the nick of you when you get pointed out you were wrong. All this petulance it's amusing. Donny corrects me " Cheers for the rest, I was unaware they are just citing random examples of usage " Larky corrected starts trying to get personal. Haud your wheest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGP Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, Parklife said: You didn't make a point, Blood. I did. It was about violent conduct and language. Two points in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, TGP said: I did. It was about violent conduct and language. Two points in fact. Nope. You made a facile comment exhibiting your victimhood, then attempted to equate "Hun" with "Taig". Good effort though. Have you considered Follow Follow? You'll be actively encouraged to throw "taig" about on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGP Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Parklife said: Nope. You made a facile comment exhibiting your victimhood, then attempted to equate "Hun" with "Taig". Good effort though. Have you considered Follow Follow? You'll be actively encouraged to throw "taig" about on there. Yes I did. I'm not and never have been a victim. You however appear to be a victim of your own narrowmindedness and hatred so much so that you immediately miss the intended point of a post and become abusing. Sad reflection. If there is an anti-Rangers bias here then I'll leave if you or others would prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 43 minutes ago, phart said: It's a message board, no one is relevant ya dafty. Check the nick of you when you get pointed out you were wrong. All this petulance it's amusing. Donny corrects me " Cheers for the rest, I was unaware they are just citing random examples of usage " Larky corrected starts trying to get personal. Haud your wheest. Hold I can't find where you threw those toys to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 My brother in law is a hun.......also a Catholic, just saying like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Larky Masher said: Hold I can't find where you threw those toys to. Stop projecting Larky. You've been trying the last page and a half, the bait and grass doesn't work on Adults lol. Right you may now have the last word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, phart said: Stop projecting Larky. You've been trying the last page and a half, the bait and grass doesn't work on Adults lol. Right you may now have the last word. You can go back to ITV3 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, slasher said: My brother in law is a hun.......also a Catholic, just saying like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 42 minutes ago, TGP said: Yes I did. I'm not and never have been a victim. You however appear to be a victim of your own narrowmindedness and hatred so much so that you immediately miss the intended point of a post and become abusing. Sad reflection. If there is an anti-Rangers bias here then I'll leave if you or others would prefer. https://youtu.be/ujwm8YrEgI4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 39 minutes ago, slasher said: My brother in law is a hun.......also a Catholic, just saying like. So is my son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 50 minutes ago, TGP said: Yes I did. I'm not and never have been a victim. You however appear to be a victim of your own narrowmindedness and hatred so much so that you immediately miss the intended point of a post and become abusing. Sad reflection. If there is an anti-Rangers bias here then I'll leave if you or others would prefer. and there it is, you've went full circle Hun is an offensive term - check TAMB is anti rangers - check next stop - rangers media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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