The Black Bra Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, VASCO said: That's arrant nonsense. The round after the first group stage was also a group stage, and I wouldn't have thought that being in a group with Austria, Italy and West Germany would have been played for. OK, OK, not old enough to remember, that's why I'm asking! So if we had beaten Holland by 3 goals would that have knocked Holland or Peru out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, The Black Bra said: OK, OK, not old enough to remember, that's why I'm asking! So if we had beaten Holland by 3 goals would that have knocked Holland or Peru out? Holland would've been out. Had they topped the group they would've got Brazil, Argentina and Poland so did they play for a particular result? Hard to say. Italy had already beaten Argentina and West Germany were the reigning champions. Lots of things have stuck in my mind from back then (despite intensive therapy!). A final quote from Ally MacLeod before the team left for Argentina: "We'll hammer Peru and Iran have no chance!" Dutch keeper Jongbloed was asked if we could score more than 3 against them: "Maybe, but perhaps they'd need more than 90 minutes!" One thing's for sure and that's the fact that we've never witnessed support like that again. Somebody once said 50,000 would've turned up to see Ally MacLeod hang his washing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, The Black Bra said: OK, OK, not old enough to remember, that's why I'm asking! So if we had beaten Holland by 3 goals would that have knocked Holland or Peru out? Netherlands would have been knocked out and we would have gone on to be runners up to Argentina - fine margins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, daviebee said: One thing's for sure and that's the fact that we've never witnessed support like that again. Somebody once said 50,000 would've turned up to see Ally MacLeod hang his washing out. Indeed. My first Scotland game was the also the first game after we qualified, a friendly v Bulgaria. Nearly 70,000 at Hampden on a Wednesday night in February! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Absolute peach of a winner from Ian Wallace that night. My first game was the home international v N Ireland just before the team left. Memorable for John Robertson being completely and utterly sh*te! Buchan filling in for Donachie at left-back to see how it'd work as well since Donachie was suspended for the Peru game. After Donachie's own goal v Wales on the Wednesday night I remember trying to chip his name off a big glass I had with all the squad's signatures on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 1:19 PM, The Black Bra said: Â Also, did we not lose McGrain and McQueen to injury before the finals started? And even although there was no chance of McQueen recovering, he was kept in the squad anyway. Mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 hours ago, VASCO said: That's arrant nonsense. The round after the first group stage was also a group stage, and I wouldn't have thought that being in a group with Austria, Italy and West Germany would have been played for. Better than a group with Argentina and Brazil. People go on about the Peru game, It was the Iran game that killed my hopes. We were sure to beat Iran and probably Holland the Peru game was just a blip on our way to winning the world cup. Could never understand how Joe Harper got on the plane either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: Could never understand how Joe Harper got on the plane either. He wasn't that fat then. Him and Derek Johnstone shared a room. The hotel floorboards must've been tested like never before!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Toepoke said: He wasn't that fat then. Him and Derek Johnstone shared a room. The hotel floorboards must've been tested like never before!  Thought Derek Johnstone didn't go? At Harpers expense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Thought Derek Johnstone didn't go? At Harpers expense Maybe Harper had built up more away points in the lead up than Derek Johnstone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, ceudmilefailte said: Thought Derek Johnstone didn't go? At Harpers expense Pretty sure Johnstone went he just never got a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Aye I have the "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" book. DJ talks about being Joe Harper's roommate and their resulting lifelong friendship being about the only positive he took from the experience.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 58 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: Maybe Harper had built up more away points in the lead up than Derek Johnstone.... Is that worth an upgrade, damn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Aye I have the "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" book. DJ talks about being Joe Harper's roommate and their resulting lifelong friendship being about the only positive he took from the experience.  Yes Johnstone was there must have got it mixed up with Ally playing Harper. Seem to remember Johstone scoring a couple of diving headers from out side the box in the run up so expected him to play, diving headers are a long lost art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Laud Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 11 hours ago, davew said: One thing I would be interested in, is how the Dutch preparation for the World cup compared to ours. They didn't have better players than us, but they got better results against both Peru and Iran. Sorry but the dutch had an absolutley fantastic team and were really unlucky to face an irresistable argentinian team at home in the final.Argentina was my favourite world cup of all time even allowing for our dissapointing showing. still got a few of the many singles in my record collection which i still play.My favourite Bill Barclays Hoat pies for us in Argentina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Seem to remember Johstone scoring a couple of diving headers from out side the box in the run up so expected him to play, diving headers are a long lost art. This was one... DJ scored 40 goals that season including both Scottish goals in the home internationals but never got a sniff at the finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 There was a rumour that Derek Johnstone had taken the same pills as Willie Johnston had, but apparently the real story was that he'd said to MacLeod that he didn't think he was a good enough forward and would prefer to play at the back. MacLeod then basically took him at his word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Orraloon said: And even although there was no chance of McQueen recovering, he was kept in the squad anyway. Mental. I believe McQueen was taken on the assumption we would be in the latter stages and he would be fit again then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, daviebee said: There was a rumour that Derek Johnstone had taken the same pills as Willie Johnston had, but apparently the real story was that he'd said to MacLeod that he didn't think he was a good enough forward and would prefer to play at the back. MacLeod then basically took him at his word. Johnstone scored that cracker against Wales on the Wednesday night On the Saturday we played England at Hampden and for the last 20 minutes of that game at 0-0 the fans were chanting for "one Derek Johnstone" Ally refused the calls and Coppell scored with about 10 minutes left I have often felt that as well as having his favourites Ally wasnt happy with one player being bigger than the team and this is why he never played again under him despite taking him to Argentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 10 hours ago, Malcolm said: I believe McQueen was taken on the assumption we would be in the latter stages and he would be fit again then. Reckoned he'd be ready for the quarter finals I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, daviebee said: After Donachie's own goal v Wales on the Wednesday night I remember trying to chip his name off a big glass I had with all the squad's signatures on it! I seem to remember I originally heard that on the radio. It was unreal. A sluggish phase of the game maybe, anyway an unhurried build-up from the back, the commentator was probably not describing the action in any detail, last thing you heard you were imagining drifting forward towards the halfway line, then suddenly oh no the ball in the back of the net - what? Edited February 6, 2018 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 18 hours ago, daviebee said:  After Donachie's own goal v Wales on the Wednesday night I remember trying to chip his name off a big glass I had with all the squad's signatures on it! Think we all had that pint glass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 2 hours ago, exile said: Reckoned he'd be ready for the quarter finals I think They didn't have quarter finals in that WC. It wouldn't surprise me if Ally MacLeod didn't know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Lou Macari doesnt come out well in the books I have read about Argentina 78. I actually think a documentary is definately warranted to bring together all the stories from it. As an aside Richard Gordons book of the 74 campaign is excellent and would hope he does one on the 78 one at some point.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 3 hours ago, giblet said: Lou Macari doesnt come out well in the books I have read about Argentina 78. I actually think a documentary is definately warranted to bring together all the stories from it. I think it was one of Ally McLeod's sons that was on Off The Ball a while back and said that years after Argentina, once he had become a manager himself,  Lou Macari phoned Ally up and apologised for his behaviour at the World Cup, saying he now understood what he was having to put up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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