Clyde1998 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Email received. Have opted for: 1 - Brown 2 - Hosie 3 - Constance Found it slightly strange if successful, Angela doesn't wish to be DFM. That's how I voted. I feel that Brown would be the best of the three for the job, as I would like the depute to be at Holyrood. Constance not wanting to be DFM is slightly confusing, as that's effectively what's being voted on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Still no email here Hosie comes across better when interviewed, better speaker, better on TV, more charisma and generally appears to be more likeable. That is what really matters here as all the candidates belifes will be similar and will all be standing on the exact same manifesto and SNP policies. Also Hosie's destruction of Lord Robertson in the Abertay Uni referendum debate was epic. A must watch for anyone not seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I haven't had an email yet but my vote will definitely be going to Stuart Hosie. Stand out candidate for me. I concur, just voted for Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 That's how I voted. I feel that Brown would be the best of the three for the job, as I would like the depute to be at Holyrood. Constance not wanting to be DFM is slightly confusing, as that's effectively what's being voted on... You are voting to appoint a deputy leader of the SNP. That same person doesn't have to be deputy first minister. Nicola can appoint somebody else to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boss Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You are voting to appoint a deputy leader of the SNP. That same person doesn't have to be deputy first minister. Nicola can appoint somebody else to do that. Yep. I think a lot of people are wrongly conflating the two positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm not even sure we need a Deputy First Minister. I'm pretty sure the only reason we got one in the first place was to make the Lib Dems feel more important in the first Scottish government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You are voting to appoint a deputy leader of the SNP. That same person doesn't have to be deputy first minister. Nicola can appoint somebody else to do that. That's why I said "that's effectively what's being voted on". If the winner is a MSP, that's the recommendation of the SNP members that that person should be DFM. Every UK Parliament has seen the party's deputy leader as the deputy leader of the government - expect in the situation of a collation. The DFM role was only created for the collation between Labour and Lib Dems between 1999 and 2007. In 2007, Salmond appointed his depute as the DFM. In the event of the FM being unavailable for a prolonged period of time - the DFM becomes leader of the Parliament. If the SNP haven't appointed a DFM, then it goes to the depute of the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 That's why I said "that's effectively what's being voted on". If the winner is a MSP, that's the recommendation of the SNP members that that person should be DFM. Every UK Parliament has seen the party's deputy leader as the deputy leader of the government - expect in the situation of a collation. The DFM role was only created for the collation between Labour and Lib Dems between 1999 and 2007. In 2007, Salmond appointed his depute as the DFM. In the event of the FM being unavailable for a prolonged period of time - the DFM becomes leader of the Parliament. If the SNP haven't appointed a DFM, then it goes to the depute of the party. Apart from not being required (IMO) I am fairly sure that DFM isn't even a formal position within the Scottish government. I think the same applies to the position of Deputy Prime Minister at Westminster. There have been significant periods of time when we didn't have a Deputy Prime Minister. But the point is that if Angela Constance were to get elected (which she wont) there is no reason why she can't be Deputy SNP leader without the requirement to be DFM. Nicola Sturgeon could choose not to have a DFM or appoint anybody that she chooses. SNP members are not voting to appoint a DFM. That will be Nicola Sturgeons job after she takes over as First Minister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 There have been significant periods of time when we didn't have a Deputy Prime Minister. Prezza was the first one I could remember... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm a bit torn in this one between Brown and Hosie. Hosie is stronger in his debating skills and getting his points rammed home very well but I think his style and demeanor may be off-putting to some people who aren't already on his side. I've seen him on tv looking quite dismissive of the opposition and tutting, rolling the eyes kind of things which combined with his somewhat combative style may put people off. In short - he may suffer in the same way that Salmond did in this day and age of personality politics - even though he's a very good politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Still no email here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Still no email here How long have you been an SNP member for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Prezza was the first one I could remember...[/qPrescott was, but his predecessor was heseltine who got deputy gig as a bit of a trade off against not unseating major, as he haf with thatcher. Wasnt willie whitelaw deputy pm too? Prob comes and goes but constants are pm and the great offices of state gigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The SNP membership has more than trebled in size. Maybe Deputy Leader of the SNP is too big a job to be combined with Deputy First Minister. Perhaps Angela is the only one of the lot who has fully thought this one through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The SNP membership has more than trebled in size. Maybe Deputy Leader of the SNP is too big a job to be combined with Deputy First Minister. Perhaps Angela is the only one of the lot who has fully thought this one through? Well, Hosie can't be DFM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 How long have you been an SNP member for? Been a member since the day after the 2007 election. I know there was a cut off date for new members being able to vote on this. I signed my 5 month old son up and used my email address for him. I am wondering if his membership missed the cut off date and that is why no email has been sent to that address, even though there are two memberships listed under the same email address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Been a member since the day after the 2007 election. I know there was a cut off date for new members being able to vote on this. I signed my 5 month old son up and used my email address for him. I am wondering if his membership missed the cut off date and that is why no email has been sent to that address, even though there are two memberships listed under the same email address. Could well be something like that - maybe they produced a list of all the e-mail addresses then stripped out the ones relating to new members before sending the voting e-mail? Either that or it's lurking in your Spam folder! Might be worth contacting your branch or HQ if you don't hear anything soon... Edited October 23, 2014 by Jie Bie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Prezza was the first one I could remember...[/qPrescott was, but his predecessor was heseltine who got deputy gig as a bit of a trade off against not unseating major, as he haf with thatcher. Wasnt willie whitelaw deputy pm too? Prob comes and goes but constants are pm and the great offices of state gigs Right enough forgot about Tarzan. You're right about Willie Whitelaw too, just checked Wiki there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Been a member since the day after the 2007 election. I know there was a cut off date for new members being able to vote on this. I signed my 5 month old son up and used my email address for him. I am wondering if his membership missed the cut off date and that is why no email has been sent to that address, even though there are two memberships listed under the same email address. Do you use gmail? It was in the promotions folder rather than the main inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I have been watching their interviews with Kevin Robertson on Referendum TV which is quite useful if you can't get to any of the hustings. Have just got Angela Constance's to watch. I am really undecided. Hosie definitely comes across better but said a couple of things i didn't really like. Brown is a bit bland. What I have seen of Constance I don't think she has enough substance and she seems a bit vague in terms of what she plans to do. Will see if it is clearer after watching the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Apart from not being required (IMO) I am fairly sure that DFM isn't even a formal position within the Scottish government. I think the same applies to the position of Deputy Prime Minister at Westminster. There have been significant periods of time when we didn't have a Deputy Prime Minister. But the point is that if Angela Constance were to get elected (which she wont) there is no reason why she can't be Deputy SNP leader without the requirement to be DFM. Nicola Sturgeon could choose not to have a DFM or appoint anybody that she chooses. SNP members are not voting to appoint a DFM. That will be Nicola Sturgeons job after she takes over as First Minister. It is a formal position, it is one because they have deemed it to be. In terms of the Scotland act the only positions named in the Scottish Parliament are the First Minister and the Presiding Officer, Outside of this Ministers and Junior Ministers are mentioned though not specifically named as well as deputies to the Presiding officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Just received the following mail from the SNP: At this point I have no idea who will be getting my vote - does anyone know if there are hustings planned in the Glasgow area? The Anniesland branch had a hustings meeting on Monday. Having heard the three of them speak, although all came across well, I am torn between Brown and Hosie. Hosie was the strongest speaker of the three, I felt, and was very slick, possibly a bit too much so. He seemed a bit pleased with himself at times, which is fine when you are in a room full of people who are on the same side as you but it tends not to translate well to folk who have yet to make their minds up. Brown was a bit more down to earth and also spoke well, but I think there are tactical advantages of having the leadership spread between the two parliaments. Constance was likable and seemed the most down to earth of the three, but while she is definitely an asset for the party and no doubt a good minister, there is something about her that makes me think she isn't the best choice for a leadership role, at least not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Do you use gmail? It was in the promotions folder rather than the main inbox. No, will give the SNP a call and find out. Pretty sure it will have something to do with a new member being on the same email address Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Well, Hosie can't be DFM. Why not? It's not actually an official position (as far as I am aware) so I am guessing that there are no rules to say who can and can't be DFM. If you have any links saying otherwise I would be interested to see them. I could find next to nothing the last time I looked, which was a while ago, right enough. I thought that the First Minister just appoints somebody? More of an honorary title than anything else? I could be wrong though. Edited October 23, 2014 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 If the title has just developed and isn't a real position then I guess anyone off the street could technically be appointed DFM. But the way it has become is that they fill in for the FM when they are absent and are second in command so to say in the Scottish parliament. So the position is only ever going to awarded to an MSP in the Scottish Government. It is a position that will be around permanently now. So Hosie could be deputy leader of the SNP but wouldn't be DFM that position would possibly then go to Keith Brown if Hoise is elected deputy leader! Also to confuse things more, Hosie, even though he might be deputy leader of the SNP, wouldn't be leader of the SNP group in Westminster. That position is held by Angus Robertson and would remain that way even if Hoise is deputy leader! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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