adamntg Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Looking at the list of favourites gives me the fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwayInAManger Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Why would Michael O'Neill give up managing his native country who qualify for tournaments (unlike us) to manage us? Really cannot see that one happening. Michael is a a thoughtful man. He talked about club managment recently, pointing out that many (most?) otherwise attractive jobs in club management don't appeal to him, since the "manager" is only judged by first-team results. Which would be fair enough were he also to be allowed the autonomy to run the club in such a way as to allow the first team to prosper in the medium-to long term (Youth, Scouting, Coaching, Sports Science, Training Facilities etc). So that if the results didn't follow, he would have no excuse. But he wouldn't appreciate being sacked for poor results when it was really the fault of some Director of Football or Owner etc. Now I think he'll eventually find a club which will give him the autonomy, esp if he takes NI to Russia, but it still might take a while. During which time he could perhaps be tempted to take another international job. On which poiint, he is also an ambitious man who would surely want to achieve more in his next position than he's doing with NI, otherwise what would be the point of switching? And no matter how well he did in Scotland, can anyone realistically see the present Scottish set-up and players getting much further than us? (No disrespect intended). Alternatively, I'm just "whistling past the graveyard" and he'll be offered, and take, the job. In which case I'll be crying like a wee babby for a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazziessc Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, adamntg said: Looking at the list of favourites gives me the fear. There's nothing I could even bring myself to bet on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, kumnio said: How can you blame Vogts for the players available to him? He got us to a playoff despite playing them, something Strachan couldnt achieve with far better players. Slovakia 3 Scotland 0 was the most insipid display Ive ever seen. He got us to a playoff in the easiest group we’ve probably ever had. Do you remember the teams in that group? I’m certainly not defending Strachan but you can’t say Vogts was the better manager because he got us second place in a group that I could have got us a playoff from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwayInAManger Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 21 minutes ago, adamntg said: Cos it's not really a country? What, like Scotland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, adamntg said: And Gordon Strachan? I ken he's got a hard neck, but I can't see him applying for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, adamntg said: Bollocks. I thought you were old enough to remember how bad things were under Vogts. 6-0 to Netherlands, 5-0 to France, 4-0 v Wales, 4-1 to South Korea, 1-0 to LIthuania, 2-2 v Faroes, 1-1 v Moldova, 1-1 v New Zealand humped out of sight at home by Hungary, Austria, every man and his dog really. Gareth Willliams, Kevin Kyle, Scott Dobbie, Stephen Crainey, Dominic Matteo, Lee Wilkie, Gavin Rae, that boy Murty. If you think that is better than six competitive games unbeaten you're mare thicker than I thought. Bertie is still our most successful manager this century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, scot scotland scottish said: I would hope (!!!) that the Scotland gig is more appealing that the Faroes. To you, me or most people in Scotland/the rest of the world, yes. To someone from the Faroes who probably has another profession, maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 58 minutes ago, kumnio said: Good riddance to the wee ginger cnt. Like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, Parklife said: He'd qualify for a Scottish passport, if such a thing existed Aye, but it doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Glasgowmancity said: Aye, but it doesn't Yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazziessc Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Just now, mariokempes56 said: Yet... Or ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, mariokempes56 said: Yet... And it won't - certainly not before we appoint Strachan's replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, adamntg said: Bollocks. I thought you were old enough to remember how bad things were under Vogts. 6-0 to Netherlands, 5-0 to France, 4-0 v Wales, 4-1 to South Korea, 1-0 to LIthuania, 2-2 v Faroes, 1-1 v Moldova, 1-1 v New Zealand humped out of sight at home by Hungary, Austria, every man and his dog really. Gareth Willliams, Kevin Kyle, Scott Dobbie, Stephen Crainey, Dominic Matteo, Lee Wilkie, Gavin Rae, that boy Murty. If you think that is better than six competitive games unbeaten you're mare thicker than I thought. Play off. More than the rest have managed. Beating Holland, drawing with Germany. Not his fault he had to start with a blank canvas. Edited October 12, 2017 by Squirrelhumper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 18 minutes ago, Mazziessc said: He put together the best run we have had since the last time we qualified. Which is still going, might not have took us anywhere but neither did the others. What did this run get us exactly? That’s right. Hee haw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Glasgowmancity said: Aye, but it doesn't 5 minutes ago, mariokempes56 said: Yet... 4 minutes ago, Mazziessc said: Or ever... 2 minutes ago, Glasgowmancity said: And it won't - certainly not before we appoint Strachan's replacement Just a joke guys.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Just now, Parklife said: Just a joke guys.... Never?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Just now, Squirrelhumper said: Play off. More than the rest have managed. Beating Holland, drawing with Germany, Drawing with Italy. Was that not Walter Smith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazziessc Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Texas Pete said: What did this run get us exactly? That’s right. Hee haw. Along with the others, unreasonable to say he "did nothing for us" The run HE currently has us on will hopefully be continued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: He got us to a playoff in the easiest group we’ve probably ever had. Do you remember the teams in that group? I’m certainly not defending Strachan but you can’t say Vogts was the better manager because he got us second place in a group that I could have got us a playoff from. Strachan couldn't even get us in a play off when you got one by finishing 3rd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Just now, Mazziessc said: Along with the others, unreasonable to say he "did nothing for us" The run HE currently has us on will hopefully be continued. Well he has done nothing for us so I’ll stick by my comment thanks. A six match unbeaten run which includes wins against Lithuania, Malta and a 10 man Slovakia is hardly awe inspiring and has got us the sum total of sweet FA. If he had got us a playoff I would agree that he had actually achieved something for us but he didn’t. 6 game unbeaten runs mean nothing if you don’t progress out of the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Step forward Ian Cathro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Strachan couldn't even get us in a play off when you got one by finishing 3rd! Correct! And we have folk claiming that he done better than Vogts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Alex Neil - Just joined Preston, currently in the playoff spots. Can't see him leaving. Ally McCoist - A very poor manager. Hopefully not even in the running. David Moyes - Seems a bit of a waste. Very likely to leave to club management at the first opportunity. Derek McInnes - Really doubt he'd leave Aberdeen right now. They're doing too well. Neil Lennon - Hope not. I'm wildly unimpressed with everything he's done as a manager. Sam Allardyce - Just no. Graeme Souness - Can't see it, he's happily retired and seems to have issues with 'modern footballers'. Tommy Wright - Done well domestically, but massively underqualified at this point. A big risk. Alex McLeish - Done nothing of value in the 10 years since he left us. Don't think he's the way forward. Paul Lambert - Has bored fans to tears everywhere he's been a manager. No thanks. Michael O'Neill - Just signed a 4 year deal, successful with his own country. Can't see it happening. Malky Mackay - Not sure it's worth it. At the first bad result the press will be on about the texts again. I find myself not really wanting any of them. There is one guy available who might be worth it, and that's Guus Hiddink. He's available, seems to love international management and taking on 'projects', like South Korea, Australia, Turkey. The only problem might be that we can't afford his wages, but he is the sort of pedigree that could get people (and the players) excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, AustroSchotte said: McInnes..Lennon. Going to cost a few quid. Both have just recently just signed new deals 48 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Vogts did better than Strachan, Levein, Burley, Smith and McLeish. I agree with you but don't let facts get in the way of a good old Johnny Foreigner bashing 47 minutes ago, adamntg said: No you as well. I know there were a lot drugs going about at the time, but you people are mental. McLeish won 7 out of 10 FFS. McLeish & Smith both inherited a team largely brought through by Berti Vogts As much as Berti's friendly results were abysmal he used these games to do what most posters on here have slaughtered other managers for.... Giving youngsters a chance and trying new things. These players took a hiding but became better players at the end of it. Faddy, Pearson, O'Connor, Caldwell, Gordon, Alexander, Maloney and Hartley(?) are just a few of Berti's boys who all played their part in the Euro 2008 campaign His qualifying record was top class barring the Faroes game but can you say it was any worse than the two Georgia debacles? If as people want the youngsters being bled in then what about John Collins and Billy Reid Time to start looking abroad. We'll just end up with the same old shite n' onions though, some dinosaur who's "one of the boys" My pick would Julian Nagelsmann from Hoffenheim but really can't see it, not only because it would cost but the fact we're shite Edited October 12, 2017 by DoonTheSlope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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