Lamia Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Archiesdad said: The people of NI have pretty much got what they voted for as well. And Gibraltar mainly It's really only Scotland that's been phukked over. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, Archiesdad said: The people of NI have pretty much got what they voted for as well. And Gibraltar mainly It's really only Scotland that's been phukked over. We did have our voice but we lost the vote. Just have to accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 53 minutes ago, davy-hay said: We did have our voice but we lost the vote. Just have to accept it. I think you're missing the point. Gibraltar and Northern Ireland also "lost the vote" but got EU side deals. Scotland was denied any such special arrangement. And, people don't just have to accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, exile said: I think you're missing the point. Gibraltar and Northern Ireland also "lost the vote" but got EU side deals. Scotland was denied any such special arrangement. And, people don't just have to accept it. Do we need one? We wanting to join euro currency?? We wanting to join the EU?", Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, aaid said: Continuing with the consistent stance they've taken since day one. In the same vein, I expect any legislative consent motion to be voted down should one come to Holyrood. Won't make a bit of difference but sometimes its important to make a point. Be interesting to see how Labour and the Lib Dems would vote in those circumstances. Personally I think it would be enough to abstain to send the message "We're not going to vote for or take responsibility for your rotten deal but we're not going to stand it the way of UK getting the least worst salvaging something from Brexit" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, davy-hay said: Do we need one? We wanting to join euro currency?? We wanting to join the EU?", You're changing the argument now. The point is about unequal nature of the Union. England and Wales got the Brexit they voted for, NI and Gibraltar got EU side deals, Scotland got nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, exile said: You're changing the argument now. The point is about unequal nature of the Union. England and Wales got the Brexit they voted for, NI and Gibraltar got EU side deals, Scotland got nothing. The whole UK voted to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, davy-hay said: The whole UK voted to leave. The point is about unequal nature of the Union. NI and Gibraltar got EU side deals, Scotland got nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, exile said: The point is about unequal nature of the Union. NI and Gibraltar got EU side deals, Scotland got nothing. Tough shyte eh. Can we get on with our future (in the Union but outside the EU) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, davy-hay said: Tough shyte eh. 😅 That's the case for the Union right there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, exile said: 😅 That's the case for the Union right there? Not the case, more the reality of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesdad Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, davy-hay said: We did have our voice but we lost the vote. Just have to accept it. We didn't lose. In Scotland 62%voted to remain in the EU 38% voted to leave. 3 out 4 countries/nations/ principalities/provinces (4/5 if u include Gibraltar) of the UK,whatever you wanna call them, got what they voted for. Every one except Scotland. Scotland is the only one who didn't get what they voted for and you say 'just accept it'' Maybe in davyhayland , but not in the Real world. You think everyone should get what they voted for but not Scotland, not the country you live in? Why? Why? Why Should Scotland be the only place where democracy does not operate? Edited December 27, 2020 by Archiesdad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Tories getting slaughtered by the majority of fishermen all over the uk, apart from the pelagic lads,, the more the deal is being examined the worse it gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesdad Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 hours ago, davy-hay said: Do we need one? We wanting to join euro currency?? We wanting to join the EU?", Whether we need one or not, is not the point. whether we want the euro or not is not the point. Scotland is the only part of the UK not to get what it has voted for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Archiesdad said: We didn't lose. In Scotland 62%voted to remain in the EU 38% voted to leave. 3 out 4 countries/nations/ principalities/provinces (4/5 if u include Gibraltar) of the UK,whatever you wanna call them, got what they voted for. Every one except Scotland. Scotland is the only one who didn't get what they voted for and you say 'just accept it'' Maybe in davyhayland , but not in the Real world. You think everyone should get what they voted for but not Scotland, not the country you live in? Why? Why? Why Should Scotland be the only place where democracy does not operate? Because we were all told before the vote that it was going to be a marjority UK vote that decided if brexit was happening or not. (for all parts of the UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, davy-hay said: Because we were all told before the vote that it was going to be a marjority UK vote that decided if brexit was happening or not. (for all parts of the UK) That's not true though. Gibraltar and NI are cited above. The reality you describe in your posts doesn't exist outside the confine of your own skull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesdad Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, davy-hay said: Because we were all told before the vote that it was going to be a marjority UK vote that decided if brexit was happening or not. (for all parts of the UK) Then why did 3 other parts of the UK get what they voted for and not Scotland. Why? If it's 1uk then all should be the same. Why do 3/4 get what they voted for and 1/4 doesn't? Your disdain for Scotland is embarrassing, and you can't even defend your reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, Archiesdad said: Then why did 3 other parts of the UK get what they voted for and not Scotland. Why? If it's 1uk then all should be the same. Why do 3/4 get what they voted for and 1/4 doesn't? Your disdain for Scotland is embarrassing, and you can't even defend your reasoning. That is what is happening. Britain is leaving the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 If sturgeon gets her shit together, independence is inevitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesdad Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, davy-hay said: That is what is happening. Britain is leaving the EU. Actually it's the UK That's leaving, (Britain is an island) however as previously stated 3 out of the 4 parts of the UK got exactly what they voted for. England got what it voted for Wales got what it voted for N I got what it voted for. Scotlland got what it didn't vote for. why do you think we should accept that? Why does it not bother you that your country and mine had to accept what other countries vote for, but they get what they voted for.? any answer to any of the questions will do you have struggled to answer any of them do far. why should we accept what we didn't vote for when all other parts of the UK get EXACTLY what they voted for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 hours ago, davy-hay said: Not the case, more the reality of the situation. DH, your avatar is a masterpiece if trolling is your objective. I hear all your posts now in the voice of that arrogant tosser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Archiesdad said: Actually it's the UK That's leaving, (Britain is an island) however as previously stated 3 out of the 4 parts of the UK got exactly what they voted for. England got what it voted for Wales got what it voted for N I got what it voted for. Scotlland got what it didn't vote for. why do you think we should accept that? Why does it not bother you that your country and mine had to accept what other countries vote for, but they get what they voted for.? any answer to any of the questions will do you have struggled to answer any of them do far. why should we accept what we didn't vote for when all other parts of the UK get EXACTLY what they voted for ? 2 reasons. 1. I voted to LEAVE so even though more people vote REMAIN in Scotland, I got what I wanted. This is a personal level thing but it will also be shared by every LEAVE voter in Scotland. 2. We knew before a vote was cast that it was going to a majority UK wide decision as to what's happening. If individual areas didn't get what they voted for.... Then it's tough. ( e.g. You can't keep Wales in EU and England out.. Or England stay while Wales and Scotland leave) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, davy-hay said: 2. We knew before a vote was cast that it was going to a majority UK wide decision as to what's happening. If individual areas didn't get what they voted for.... Then it's tough. ( e.g. You can't keep Wales in EU and England out.. Or England stay while Wales and Scotland leave) Just as we knew in 2014 that a NO vote was the only way we could remain in the EU. Oh, and you don't mention N.Ireland there 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Grim Jim said: Just as we knew in 2014 that a NO vote was the only way we could remain in the EU. Oh, and you don't mention N.Ireland there 🙄 N Ireland are also leaving the eu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, davy-hay said: N Ireland are also leaving the eu Aye, that'll be why Castle Kennedy airfield at Stranraer is being prepared as a lorry park for customs delays to there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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