ShedTA Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 what is wrong with people these days? how can they vote for that party? jesus wept. I feel more and more distant from a large section of society these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Just now, ShedTA said: what is wrong with people these days? how can they vote for that party? jesus wept. I feel more and more distant from a large section of society these days. Me too ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 45 minutes ago, aaid said: Not that it's of any relevance whatsoever but I'm pretty sure that Ruth Davidson is Church of Scotland. It's not to me but it may be to the LOL was the point I was making. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, slasher said: It's not to me but it may be to the LOL was the point I was making. ? Yup seem to be the one that's interested in what her religion is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Any chance of former councillor Willie Young facing legal action in the foreseeable future for questionable land dealings in Aberdeen ? Did that pwick Frank Gilfeather win a seat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Going so-so so far but there should be several alarm bells ringing at SNP headquarters. Clear there is a solid Tory/Unionist support and there's a significant number of seats at risk next month to give SNP a bloody nose. Quite a lot of Yes supporters raging that folk would even consider voting Tory and seem to forget we still need to win a lot of these voters over to support independence. Too many SNP/Yes types are still too quick to play the "Tories are monsters" hyperbole. It's going to need more intelligent discourse than we're currently seeing to eat into to the now Tory support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, aaid said: Yup seem to be the one that's interested in what her religion is. I think you know fine what point I was making but carry on being pedantic if it floats your boat. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Auld_Reekie said: Going so-so so far but there should be several alarm bells ringing at SNP headquarters. Clear there is a solid Tory/Unionist support and there's a significant number of seats at risk next month to give SNP a bloody nose. Quite a lot of Yes supporters raging that folk would even consider voting Tory and seem to forget we still need to win a lot of these voters over to support independence. Too many SNP/Yes types are still too quick to play the "Tories are monsters" hyperbole. It's going to need more intelligent discourse than we're currently seeing to eat into to the now Tory support. I agree with your first paragraph. On the second , I am personally more disappointed and saddened than angry about Labour voters switching to the Tories. Who would vote for a party whose values are poles apart from your own, under any circumstances ? These same people are ridiculing Yes supporters as being nationalistic buffoons whilst whoring their vote to their enemy to save the Union. I doubt these people will ever be won over. I do agree though that there is still an element can be convinced and screaming angrily about the Tories is not going to win them over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: I agree with your first paragraph. On the second , I am personally more disappointed and saddened than angry about Labour voters switching to the Tories. Who would vote for a party whose values are poles apart from your own, under any circumstances ? These same people are ridiculing Yes supporters as being nationalistic buffoons whilst whoring their vote to their enemy to save the Union. I doubt these people will ever be won over. I do agree though that there is still an element can be convinced and screaming angrily about the Tories is not going to win them over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: On the second , I am personally more disappointed and saddened than angry about Labour voters switching to the Tories. Who would vote for a party whose values are poles apart from your own, under any circumstances ? Plenty did it when moving from Labour to the SNP due to one policy - Independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Glasgowmancity said: Plenty did it when moving from Labour to the SNP due to one policy - Independence I'm sorry but that represents so few people. People haven't abandoned Labour because of Independence. People have abandoned Labour because: - Labour has lurched more and more to the right (changing down south but Scottish Labour is not) - Labour attacked and stimatised their own voters who favoured Indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Glasgowmancity said: Plenty did it when moving from Labour to the SNP due to one policy - Independence I agree. But would you not agree that that the Snp/Labour policies/values are more aligned than Labour/Tory? Its the lurch to their political nemesis that saddens me. I am not sure it was such a gigantic step to move from Labour to SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: I agree. But would you not agree that that the Snp/Labour policies/values are more aligned than Labour/Tory? Its the lurch to their political nemesis that saddens me. I am not sure it was such a gigantic step to move from Labour to SNP. It wasn't a step at all. Labour moved to the right, the SNP moved to the Left. The voters stayed in the same place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, Parklife said: I'm sorry but that represents so few people. People haven't abandoned Labour because of Independence. People have abandoned Labour because: - Labour has lurched more and more to the right (changing down south but Scottish Labour is not) - Labour attacked and stimatised their own voters who favoured Indy. 9 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: I agree. But would you not agree that that the Snp/Labour policies/values are more aligned than Labour/Tory? Its the lurch to their political nemesis that saddens me. I am not sure it was such a gigantic step to move from Labour to SNP. I have spoken to many "Labour people" who moved allegiance to the SNP purely to gain independence & with the view of moving back to (a further left) Labour when that has been achieved. IMO SNP/Tory were far more aligned than any other 2 parties - with one major, and obvious, exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Glasgowmancity said: IMO SNP/Tory were far more aligned than any other 2 parties - "Were" - being the operative word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Just now, Parklife said: "Were" - being the operative word. Fair point - it's a different political landscape now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 One Unionist party takes votes from another Unionist party while the SNP have a clear majority ? Or am i missing something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said: One Unionist party takes votes from another Unionist party while the SNP have a clear majority ? Or am i missing something So far - Labour have lost one council, as have the SNP - most are No overall control, with 3 councils still being held by Independents As for seats Independant - 14 Labour - 68 SNP -17 Tory + 103 Lib Dem - 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Glasgowmancity said: Fair point - it's a different political landscape now Indeed. Hence why saying Labour voters have moved to SNP solely because of Independence is wrong. Former Labour voters have moved to the SNP because Labour have abandoned what they used to stand for and the SNP have moved in to that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Anyone any idea how the first preference votes are looking as seats can be deceiving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 The Tories have picked up a seat in the Calton as well. The Calton, FFS. That can only be Loyalist support from Bridgeton. I suspect that's going to be troublesome for them in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitre Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Not sure I'm a fan of all of these NOC councils. I don't think that's too healthy to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: I agree with your first paragraph. On the second , I am personally more disappointed and saddened than angry about Labour voters switching to the Tories. Who would vote for a party whose values are poles apart from your own, under any circumstances ? These same people are ridiculing Yes supporters as being nationalistic buffoons whilst whoring their vote to their enemy to save the Union. I doubt these people will ever be won over. I do agree though that there is still an element can be convinced and screaming angrily about the Tories is not going to win them over. I think telling the Tories they are scum is exactly what's needed.Contorting themselves into voting Tory? These voters should be made very aware of exactly what they've voted for. Call it out for what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Im not sure you can call them "scum" one minute and then ask them to vote "Yes" the next. Scottish Labour are all but dead and buried because they took the electorate for granted and played the man instead of the ball when it came to SNP supporters. Im seeing far too many SNP and Yes supporters who havent learned from Scottish Labour's mistakes and think talking at people and throwing names or insults about is the way to woo them. It's really not. There's a huge difference between the Tory party and those who might have voted Tory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Auld_Reekie said: Im not sure you can call them "scum" one minute and then ask them to vote "Yes" the next. Scottish Labour are all but dead and buried because they took the electorate for granted and played the man instead of the ball when it came to SNP supporters. Im seeing far too many SNP and Yes supporters who havent learned from Scottish Labour's mistakes and think talking at people and throwing names or insults about is the way to woo them. It's really not. There's a huge difference between the Tory party and those who might have voted Tory. Quite right. Clear message of the night - the overwhelming majority of Scots don't want independence, and want to make clear their rejection of a party some of whose supporters call anyone that disagrees with them 'scum'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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