National Anthem

[Squirrelhumper]

Said in Dortmund it could be last time I sing it. And it will be

[scotsgary1]

Said in Dortmund it could be last time I sing it. And it will be

I must have been standing next to you because I said the same.

But hope everybody else belts it out though, thats not so bothered if that makes sense !!!

[Hepickedupaball]

95% of people who voted no didn't do it out of the love for the union but for what they thought was better for Scotland, it was too easy to vote yes without thinking about the ramifications like a lot of yes voters did.

I have hardly heard a valid reason for anybody voting yes other than the idealistic view. I would have flipping loved to vote yes but the figures didn't add up. I am not saying there arnt valid reasons so feel free to tell me without making the usual empty statements that iv heard so far from most people.

The amount of people who have voted based on their football allegiance is sickening. Rangers, Celtic and Scotland fans on the whole have voted very predictably. If it makes me a traitor for voting what's best for my family then so be it.

The independence argument didn't add up one bit, from the inflated oil revenues, to the uncertain currency union which isn't as simple as using the pound and I would pray if you voted you would know this, to the very unlikely entry to NATO & the EU. The threat to walk away from the debt was embarrassing as well, I would be embarrassed to call myself Scottish if we done that. Jobs would have been lost as well 100%

The anger should be aimed at those who gave the flimsiest proposals to the country because had the case been stronger it would undoubtedly have been a YES vote and trust me I would have been the first to do it. Instead the people who fucked this up are being portrayed as heroes. IT would 100% have been a yes vote had they done a better job of their policies instead of aiming for the brain dead, blind faith and young voters.

Independence will come in time 100%

Do not divide the TA like the rest of the country has already been divided.

I know most will abuse me but at least its off my chest

[munro7]

The more I think about it the more I think singing verses 1 & 2 are the way to go. Even if whoever they have to sing it officially goes with "Those days are past now" we should be able to drown them out if we all hit "The hills are bare now" at the same time.

And the words of verse 2 are way more appropriate than verse 3 in the circumstances.

[Thistledo]

I sang our national anthem in Dortmund when we were part of the UK and I didn't feel any less Scottish. Despite the disappointment of this week, I still don't feel any less Scottish, although I respect and understand others on the board expressing views that they do. Given the 1.6 million other Yes voters and the biased media influencing fellow Scots who were less confident, it strikes me that the only way to fight back is to continue with what defines us as Scottish, not to dilute it.Thats what Westminster wants us to do. So, I will continue to sing our national anthem as a way of continuing our way of life in the hope that one day we are confident as a nation to vote Yes!

[RenfrewBlue]

95% of people who voted no didn't do it out of the love for the union but for what they thought was better for Scotland, it was too easy to vote yes without thinking about the ramifications like a lot of yes voters did.

I have hardly heard a valid reason for anybody voting yes other than the idealistic view. I would have flipping loved to vote yes but the figures didn't add up. I am not saying there arnt valid reasons so feel free to tell me without making the usual empty statements that iv heard so far from most people.

The amount of people who have voted based on their football allegiance is sickening. Rangers, Celtic and Scotland fans on the whole have voted very predictably. If it makes me a traitor for voting what's best for my family then so be it.

The independence argument didn't add up one bit, from the inflated oil revenues, to the uncertain currency union which isn't as simple as using the pound and I would pray if you voted you would know this, to the very unlikely entry to NATO & the EU. The threat to walk away from the debt was embarrassing as well, I would be embarrassed to call myself Scottish if we done that. Jobs would have been lost as well 100%

The anger should be aimed at those who gave the flimsiest proposals to the country because had the case been stronger it would undoubtedly have been a YES vote and trust me I would have been the first to do it. Instead the people who fucked this up are being portrayed as heroes. IT would 100% have been a yes vote had they done a better job of their policies instead of aiming for the brain dead, blind faith and young voters.

Independence will come in time 100%

Do not divide the TA like the rest of the country has already been divided.

I know most will abuse me but at least its off my chest

Try reading the Wee Blue Book. It will give you the truth and not the BBC and London media bullshit spun version. The figures do add up if you look at the real ones.

You've said No was best for your family which makes you selfish. No was better financially for me but I voted Yes anyway.

[Hepickedupaball]

The biased media stuff was a bit of a smoke screen to divert from the real issues of questions not being answered. They wanted to do everything but debate their policies.

Salmond & sturgeon got away constantly without answering questions so if the media were that biased they would have nailed them far more than they did. Look at the bedroom tax vote where only 2 SNP MP's turned up to vote, scandalous yet it didn't get too much coverage and he even used it in his speech the night before the referendum which sickened me.

I would also ask is the wee blue book not biased in favour of yes? I think you will find it even says it has a pro independent slant. As I said earlier I read a lot from people who were not involved on either side to get a more balanced view.

I don't and would never claim to be a socialist so im happy to be selfish for my family.

[Bingo Foot Soldier]

Flower of Scotland remains the National Anthem for everyone of the 45% who voted Yes, The sentiments remain the same for us.

However if I voted no I must admit I would feel slightly uncomfortable and embarrassed to sing some of those lines. At the end of the day you don't want to be a nation again.

You either have voted to look after one's own personal finances, been duped by devonothappening max, or some bizarre loyalty to the crown which is really ironic as the Queen was being kept anyway.

At least at the football you may get a majority who supported yes. At Murrayfield I suggest it would be an absolute disgrace to play it , my humble opinion.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Bingo Foot Soldier

[big clarky]

Try reading the Wee Blue Book. It will give you the truth and not the BBC and London media bullshit spun version. The figures do add up if you look at the real ones.

You've said No was best for your family which makes you selfish. No was better financially for me but I voted Yes anyway.

totally agree mate,its this kind of lilly livered attitude that will bring another 4 years of torey led shite down on us

Edited September 20, 2014 by big clarky

[Flora MaDonald]

How much is it to get in the Georgia end?

[Hepickedupaball]

torie led shite? don't overload with specifics

[HIGGINS]

Thistledo - you are 100% correct.

Believe it or not....Scotland is on the up.

1.6 million votes suggests we are on the right track and all we need to do is maintain the pressure and belief.

If ever there was a time to be patriotic and vocal now is it...........the momentum is with Scotland

[McManus4]

Verses 1 and 2 please.

[Godstar]

We should sing the parting glass

"And all the harm that e'er I've done

Alas it was to none but me"

It's a song of grief

And let's wave those new Flags

A white cross on a white background

[Kirk]

I'll chip in for 45 flags. Who's sorting it?

[scoobydoo]

95% of people who voted no didn't do it out of the love for the union but for what they thought was better for Scotland, it was too easy to vote yes without thinking about the ramifications like a lot of yes voters did.

I have hardly heard a valid reason for anybody voting yes other than the idealistic view. I would have flipping loved to vote yes but the figures didn't add up. I am not saying there arnt valid reasons so feel free to tell me without making the usual empty statements that iv heard so far from most people.

The amount of people who have voted based on their football allegiance is sickening. Rangers, Celtic and Scotland fans on the whole have voted very predictably. If it makes me a traitor for voting what's best for my family then so be it.

The independence argument didn't add up one bit, from the inflated oil revenues, to the uncertain currency union which isn't as simple as using the pound and I would pray if you voted you would know this, to the very unlikely entry to NATO & the EU. The threat to walk away from the debt was embarrassing as well, I would be embarrassed to call myself Scottish if we done that. Jobs would have been lost as well 100%

The anger should be aimed at those who gave the flimsiest proposals to the country because had the case been stronger it would undoubtedly have been a YES vote and trust me I would have been the first to do it. Instead the people who fucked this up are being portrayed as heroes. IT would 100% have been a yes vote had they done a better job of their policies instead of aiming for the brain dead, blind faith and young voters.

Independence will come in time 100%

Do not divide the TA like the rest of the country has already been divided.

I know most will abuse me but at least its off my chest

People were voting for independence so they could say Scotland was indeed a Nation and not some stupid, wee region in the UK getting handouts of what is actually theirs.

A Nation which could and would stand on it's own two feet come what may. All the other countries who had the chance took it because they had bollocks in their trousers, not a vagina like you and your ilk.

YOU fucked it up, probably forever. This was the chance and YOU blew it.

[Bino's]

People were voting for independence so they could say Scotland was indeed a Nation and not some stupid, wee region in the UK getting handouts of what is actually theirs.

A Nation which could and would stand on it's own two feet come what may. All the other countries who had the chance took it because they had flipping bollocks in their trousers, not a vagina like you and your ilk.

YOU fucked it up, probably forever. This was the flipping chance and YOU blew it.

well said

[Kirk]

People were voting for independence so they could say Scotland was indeed a Nation and not some stupid, wee region in the UK getting handouts of what is actually theirs.

A Nation which could and would stand on it's own two feet come what may. All the other countries who had the chance took it because they had flipping bollocks in their trousers, not a vagina like you and your ilk.

YOU fucked it up, probably forever. This was the flipping chance and YOU blew it.

Spot on.

[kennyp]

I will sing loud and proud like always

[Hepickedupaball]

This is the detail considered replys i was expecting. Point proved.

[hampden will]

Look its a free country....you can vote for who you like,that's democracy....I voted YES but would hold out the hand of friendship to any no voter on here....

[Godstar]

Kirk

Today, 08:47

I'll chip in for 45 flags. Who's sorting it?

I've ordered mine already

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/261327037867?nav=SEARCH

I think until we win this vote or get those powers we aren't good enough for the Saltire

And it's poignant that it ships from London !!

Edited September 21, 2014 by Godstar

[scoobydoo]

This is the detail considered replys i was expecting. Point proved.

Scotland is a world embarrassment and the humiliation will be complete when the English fans come up to Glasgow and rip the pish out you and there is all you can do about it, except agree with them.

The English are off the hook as Scots can no longer blame them for Scotland's ills. Everything that happens in the near future will be all our own fault, no one elses.

The SFA, inadequate bastards and therefore rightly Scottish, should do the one sensible thing and cancel the game. We can't get any more humiliated than we are now.

[Godstar]

Or they could sell all future tickets only through the @@@@@@ and other Unionist venues - then both sets of fans can cheer on the same team - England. No discussion there.

Edited September 21, 2014 by Godstar

[RenfrewBlue]

The biased media stuff was a bit of a smoke screen to divert from the real issues of questions not being answered. They wanted to do everything but debate their policies.

Salmond & sturgeon got away constantly without answering questions so if the media were that biased they would have nailed them far more than they did. Look at the bedroom tax vote where only 2 SNP MP's turned up to vote, scandalous yet it didn't get too much coverage and he even used it in his speech the night before the referendum which sickened me.

I would also ask is the wee blue book not biased in favour of yes? I think you will find it even says it has a pro independent slant. As I said earlier I read a lot from people who were not involved on either side to get a more balanced view.

I don't and would never claim to be a socialist so im happy to be selfish for my family.

The Wee Blue Book is pro-independence but that's their starting viewpoint. It uses all openly researchable sources and provides the links so that you can verify their claims. If you put in the legwork you can check everything they've said via unbiased sources.

So that answers your first point.

It looks to me that your selfishness was all the research you did. That and watching the news on the BBC.