Hepickedupaball

Great post JTS73. We both know the answer to your question u fortunately. What else I have an issue with is the 45% all voted for different reasons and don't share the same ideas. Loads of Irish Catholics done it to spite the uk as opposed to being pro Scotland.

No bother I'm not scottish then. If u say so then it must be true. Scotland must only have 1.6m people in it in your argument so wouldn't be much of a sucess. Is it a coincidence that all the Celtic fans cling onto the yes & 45 stuff because it suits their agendas and not for the love of Scotland not everybody who voted yes done it for the same reason as you guys. I respect yous sticking to your guns with your vote even though I think it's not for the correct reasons. I know countless people who voted yes and have never been to a Scotland game in their life and pound me for going home and away. That I can't stomach

Sorry I don't know how to quote on this but Ireland was mentioned. Would most of u want independance at any cost? Even if we ended up like Ireland or spain? I would love independance but only under the right conditions.

Sorry I don't know how to quote on this but Ireland was mentioned. Would most of u want independance at any cost? Even if we ended up like Ireland or spain? I would love independance but only under the right conditions.

This is the detail considered replys i was expecting. Point proved.

torie led shite? don't overload with specifics

The biased media stuff was a bit of a smoke screen to divert from the real issues of questions not being answered. They wanted to do everything but debate their policies. Salmond & sturgeon got away constantly without answering questions so if the media were that biased they would have nailed them far more than they did. Look at the bedroom tax vote where only 2 SNP MP's turned up to vote, scandalous yet it didn't get too much coverage and he even used it in his speech the night before the referendum which sickened me. I would also ask is the wee blue book not biased in favour of yes? I think you will find it even says it has a pro independent slant. As I said earlier I read a lot from people who were not involved on either side to get a more balanced view. I don't and would never claim to be a socialist so im happy to be selfish for my family.

95% of people who voted no didn't do it out of the love for the union but for what they thought was better for Scotland, it was too easy to vote yes without thinking about the ramifications like a lot of yes voters did. I have hardly heard a valid reason for anybody voting yes other than the idealistic view. I would have flipping loved to vote yes but the figures didn't add up. I am not saying there arnt valid reasons so feel free to tell me without making the usual empty statements that iv heard so far from most people. The amount of people who have voted based on their football allegiance is sickening. Rangers, Celtic and Scotland fans on the whole have voted very predictably. If it makes me a traitor for voting what's best for my family then so be it. The independence argument didn't add up one bit, from the inflated oil revenues, to the uncertain currency union which isn't as simple as using the pound and I would pray if you voted you would know this, to the very unlikely entry to NATO & the EU. The threat to walk away from the debt was embarrassing as well, I would be embarrassed to call myself Scottish if we done that. Jobs would have been lost as well 100% The anger should be aimed at those who gave the flimsiest proposals to the country because had the case been stronger it would undoubtedly have been a YES vote and trust me I would have been the first to do it. Instead the people who fucked this up are being portrayed as heroes. IT would 100% have been a yes vote had they done a better job of their policies instead of aiming for the brain dead, blind faith and young voters. Independence will come in time 100% Do not divide the TA like the rest of the country has already been divided. I know most will abuse me but at least its off my chest