ParisInAKilt Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I'd imagine after his "let them call you racist" faux pas he is very careful these days https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/new-evidence-emerges-of-steve-bannon-and-cambridge-analyticas-role-in-brexit New Evidence Emerges of Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica’s Role in Brexit Good podcast / video on that same story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Watching the Bannon protests really was depressing. There is a % of “progressives” that really have lost the plot. It’s ironic that you’re protesting a “fascist” by trying to stop someone from speaking and stopping other people from hearing that person speak. I thought this was an American thing but it’s even happening in Australia and New Zealand recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ally Bongo Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 5 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: The way this works is someone says Hitchens turned into a neocon and supported the Iraq war which means his opinion on everything else becomes moot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 54 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: The way this works is someone says Hitchens turned into a neocon and supported the Iraq war which means his opinion on everything else becomes moot I’d love to have a chat with him about that. For such an intelligent man it’s a wonder to think why he bought the lie about Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I’d love to have a chat with him about that. For such an intelligent man it’s a wonder to think why he bought the lie about Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 11.20 in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: 11.20 in I’ve seen that one. Fascinating as always. As amazing as it is to say, I think he’s incredibly naive about the influence that western, mainly American government / intelligence agencies have had on the modern troubles in the Middle East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I’ve seen that one. Fascinating as always. As amazing as it is to say, I think he’s incredibly naive about the influence that western, mainly American government / intelligence agencies have had on the modern troubles in the Middle East. Disagree He mentions Jimmy Carter's policies in the first video and then decades of playing Iran and Iraq against each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Disagree He mentions Jimmy Carter's policies in the first video and then decades of playing Iran and Iraq against each other True but there’s a lot more to it than that. No mention of regime change in Iran, no mention of how Hussain was a friend of the West when it suited etc. Its a smiler play book to what happened in Libya and what’s been attempted in Syria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: True but there’s a lot more to it than that. No mention of regime change in Iran, no mention of how Hussain was a friend of the West when it suited etc. Its a smiler play book to what happened in Libya and what’s been attempted in Syria. Again - the last two minutes of the first video he does Things you cant accuse Hitchens of is being naive or historically unaware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 He was naive he bought the lies. The fact he talks about the Carter administration when it was the Safari Club and not the administration that did a lot of things shows that. The senate was trying to shut this down meddling with things like the Clark amendment but it didn't work. Same with Iran-Contra not the administration but secret covert groups doing the deeds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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phart Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Fucking hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) Iran getting all the blame. It's going to flare up big time. Hamas have got hold of actual rockets this time (have propulsion system and guidance) and used them to blow up a military bus (which they allowed to empty before blowing it up) IDL had to stop ground operations cause they were getting casualties and that's politically unacceptable at this time. Hezbollah/Syria just got a re-supply of fancy weapons due to defeating Western backed ISIS and stealing all their arms cache. Yemen is fucked. Getting starved to death. Saudi's going to turn Qatar into an Island. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/01/saudi-arabia-may-dig-canal-to-turn-qatar-into-an-island oh and Venezuela is to be designated a sponsor of terror. It's the Banana wars all over again. Edited November 20, 2018 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Oh dear, Ally's posted up a made up Trump document from some dodgy website, the usual suspects will be all over him like a rash.... I'd better just check that it's made up bollocks.....OH shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Eisegerwind said: Oh dear, Ally's posted up a made up Trump document from some dodgy website, the usual suspects will be all over him like a rash.... I'd better just check that it's made up bollocks.....OH shit! I checked it first as well lol https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-donald-j-trump-standing-saudi-arabia/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 After my heavily negotiated trip to Saudi Arabia last year, the Kingdom agreed to spend and invest $450 billion in the United States. This is a record amount of money. It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, tremendous economic development, and much additional wealth for the United States. Of the $450 billion, $110 billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense contractors. If we foolishly cancel these contracts, Russia and China would be the enormous beneficiaries – and very happy to acquire all of this newfound business. It would be a wonderful gift to them directly from the United States!-Trump Trump said that Saudi Arabia has ordered $450 billion from U.S. companies, including $110 billion in military contracts, representing over a million jobs. Orders on that scale don’t exist. There is no data behind the $450 billion, and the $110 billion is a blend of smaller deals in progress, old offers that have not come through, and speculative discussions that have yet to move forward. Trump’s claims about jobs ignores the long runway between signed agreements and actual delivery and payment. He treats spending that could play out over a decade as if it were spent in one year. More importantly, if the $450 billion in orders is a mirage, the 1 million jobs is equally without substance. We rate this claim Pants on Fire. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/oct/23/donald-trump/donald-trump-touts-nonexistent-450-billion-saudi-o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 It reads like he's written it himself and pressed send without anyone reviewing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 After the Riyadh speech and the UN address this is a surprise? lol. It is as if Netanjahu writes these Trump speeches on Iran, it is that bad. This has been my main beef with Trump the whole time and something he genuinely deserves enormous criticism over. I have said exactly so on this thread several times but honestly who cares at this point... I suspect the only reason this is finally getting raised is desperation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, thplinth said: After the Riyadh speech and the UN address this is a surprise? lol. It is as if Netanjahu writes these Trump speeches on Iran, it is that bad. This has been my main beef with Trump the whole time and something he genuinely deserves enormous criticism over. I have said exactly so on this thread several times but honestly who cares at this point... I suspect the only reason this is finally getting raised is desperation! It's getting raised cause of the press release a couple of hours ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) On 2/11/2016 at 9:35 AM, thplinth said: Sanders also voted for every single war, all of them apparently. Trump in comparison opposed (at least some of) them. Yet Bernie is the socialist 'leftie' and Trump the dangerous right wing extremist. I find Bernie a lot more scary than Trump. Clinton in comparison is super pro war and would have the US attacking Iran. It is a great set of choices. On 8/11/2016 at 8:30 AM, thplinth said: Trump is not evil, Hillary on the other hand is a continuation of the neocon insanity. Hillary is war with Russia. The fact the media hate trump and so do the likes of the Bushes is the best sign you can get about a candidate, I mean really. Trump worries me especially over Iran but he does not set off my evil alarms at all. I think he is benign. Even now if you strip away all the media attempts to smear Trump what exactly has he done that is so bad? He is like a political bull in a china shop but it was a shite china shop anyway and needed some khunt to shit all over the floor and smash a few plates. Trump is by far the better choice, by far. On 10/18/2016 at 2:46 PM, thplinth said: Personally I think with Trump what you see is what he is. I don't think he has any agenda other than what he is actually saying he will do. He frightens me on Iran he really does but my bet is he will be pragmatic in office if he wins. Clinton on the other hand really worries me. She and the forces behind her are bad news. Everything she says is a lie. I am seriously concerned about WWIII if she wins. After watching them unleash their mercenary armies, destroy the middle east near enough and then most shocking of all destabilize Ukraine and provoke a civil war with ethnic Russians on one side of it, I now think they are capable of anything and they could not care less about Europe, in fact I sense a deep contempt. Then you get to the engineered refugee crisis... on and on it goes. It is all heading only one place and the Russians know it and are preparing for it. As bad as Trump is I just do not see him anywhere near as bad as Clinton. So it's Trump or nuclear holocaust. Yaaay Donald! How would you be feeling if this was Bush v Clinton as it probably would have been had Trump not destroyed him. As bad as this might seem that would have been worse. At least here there is a chance you might not get more of the same. But even so it still feels very grim outlook wise. On 3/24/2017 at 9:16 PM, thplinth said: It is a funny business all of this. I would say about 10% of Trumps support (enough to win it for him) was not due to liking Trump so much but more due to their intense revulsion at the tactics of the left. (See all that identity politics pish... go yourselves from now until the end of time.) For me that is the case. I am rooting for Trump mostly due to how much I loath his enemies not so much how much I like him. They repulse me. Although Trump is crazily likeable. You don't get that somehow. Because you never watch him for more than 2 seconds... I am prepared to give him a free pass on Israel, Iran and a whole bunch of shit until I can tell who he really is. With Trump actions are everything. He is a results man. So too early to tell. Let's see what he does in the middle east... We don t know yet but so far he has not betrayed anyone that I can see, Time will tell as it always will. Pity so few can wait and see and judge him on it fairly. Trump is as close to JFK as we will see in our lifetimes. On 5/23/2017 at 1:56 PM, thplinth said: The fact his critics are praising him again tells you just how bad his speech was. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-saudi-arabia-muslim-speech-a7747856.html Saudi Arabia, not the Islamic Republic of Iran, is the “fountainhead” of terrorism in the Middle East, according to Robert Fisk, a celebrated English writer and journalist. The mind bending hypocrisy from Trump throughout that speech takes your breath away. Although no one died it is up there with his bombing of that airbase. Is he really this naive and / or cynical. Wow. On 8/4/2017 at 9:48 AM, thplinth said: Hvae a watch of this... the conclusions he makes are exactly what I think we are seeing. I have to remind myself this is Fox News. This Hannity guy may have a bad rep but really what he is saying here is quite extraordinary. http://video.foxnews.com/v/5531212678001/?#sp=show-clips What you are seeing is an assassination like JFK but a modern day version. It is almost unbelievable but I am witnessing it... The Russia sanctions bill he signed (no choice I understand) is also extraordinary. 98-2 it passed in the senate. Big lobby involved it making sure everyone fell into line... Basically they took away all the president ability to make peace with Russia. The US voted for this person to do just that and the senate votes 98-2... unbelievable again. Plus I said almost at the start one of the things Trump scares me on is Iran. Well looks like he intends to really start a war with them. If he does that then obviously he is capable of breaking any promise and doing anything. An absolute nutter. Generally things are looking pretty scary right about now. On 8/20/2017 at 8:35 PM, thplinth said: Electing a screaming nepotist to drain any political swamp was a flawed plan. His family and (shudder in laws) are worse than him and that is to whom he (seemingly) solely listens. The Saudi mad speech shite, the syria bombings, the telling his intel chiefs to find a reason to rip up the Iran deal... it is like maybe he is shagging his daughter after all. We are fhucked. It has been my major concern all the way through with Trump. But you crack on with your little fantasy about what I am saying. edit: And the wild thing is if given the same choice but with the benefit of hindsight I'd still pick Trump over Clinton by a mile... that is how bad she was. Edited November 20, 2018 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I read that press release earlier on, and was staggered by it. It reminded me of that Rangers group who just go off on wild tangents about absolute nonsense. Ive never fully understood why the Saudis are tolerated, yet the Iranians are demonised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, thplinth said: It has been my major concern all the way through with Trump. But you crack on with your little fantasy about what I am saying. edit: And the wild thing is if given the same choice but with the benefit of hindsight I'd still pick Trump over Clinton by a mile... that is how bad she was. Who are you talking to thplinth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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