Bristolhibby Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Are Israel on any side in this, or are they just happy to sit back and watch everybody else bomb fuk out of each other? Bizarrely there is info out there that indicates that they are backing ISIS. Treating their injured, turning blind eyes. This is because ISIS are degrading Hezbollah. Fucjed up I tell ya. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Bizarrely there is info out there that indicates that they are backing ISIS. Treating their injured, turning blind eyes. This is because ISIS are degrading Hezbollah. Fucjed up I tell ya. J That'll be the white phosphorus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Looks like Labour will not whip the vote to oppose airstrikes in Syria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Looks like Labour will not whip the vote to oppose airstrikes in Syria. Bitterly disappointing! The public support the murder and the careerist Blairites will be thinking only of themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) History repeating itself. Iraq was only 12 years ago, they shouldn't even have to be whipped. Hard to see anything other than military action now. Edited November 30, 2015 by ParisInAKilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Also, kudos to Nicola Sturgeon for ignoring public opinion on this one and doing the right thing. *vomits* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Has there been any polls on public opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Ha ha so the great man of principle shits out of it, again. Tell me what are those neoliberal snp types saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Has there been any polls on public opinion? Last one was a YouGov one from a few days ago. 59% of UK support Airstrikes with 20% opposing. 52% of Scots support Airstrikes with 20% opposing. Edited November 30, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Last one was a YouGov one from a few days ago. 59% of UK support Airstrikes with 20% opposing. 52% of Scots support Airstrikes with 20% opposing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Ha ha so the great man of principle shits out of it, again. Tell me what are those neoliberal snp types saying? Reactionary, but I understand the gloating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Has there been any polls on public opinion? What, UK polls or Scottish polls, if only we had the opportunity to decide this sort of issue for ourselves, maybe we should have a referen....Oh, never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 What, UK polls or Scottish polls, if only we had the opportunity to decide this sort of issue for ourselves, maybe we should have a referen....Oh, never mind. UK. Unfortunately we voted no and there's more important things not. And those polls above don't show any difference in public opinion on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Heard McTernan on the radio there, disgusted the Labour aren't using a whipped vote, to support air strikes. It seems most Labour MPs are currently at odds with the party rank and file... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Heard McTernan on the radio there, disgusted the Labour aren't using a whipped vote, to support air strikes. It seems most Labour MPs are currently at odds with the party rank and file... He's doing alright for himself being the media's go to guy to bash Corbyn. Corbyn winning has done wonders for his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Heard McTernan on the radio there, disgusted the Labour aren't using a whipped vote, to support air strikes. It seems most Labour MPs are currently at odds with the party rank and file... The peoples champion is moving to move power over policy to the members... While the members are screaming for him to begin deselection. I understand why he's not deselecting... But it is frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 He's doing alright for himself being the media's go to guy to bash Corbyn. Corbyn winning has done wonders for his career. I don't see how Corbyn can survive long term. His party MPs are constantly undermining him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 UK. Unfortunately we voted no and there's more important things not. And those polls above don't show any difference in public opinion on this. It's maybe nonsense but it would be nice to think if we had voted yes, that we could've, as a Nation realigned our position re international relations and taken a bit more of a thoughtful approach to this rather than having to follow the usual UK approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Heard McTernan on the radio there, disgusted the Labour aren't using a whipped vote, to support air strikes. It seems most Labour MPs are currently at odds with the party rank and file... Deselection. The election of Corbyn was only the beginning. The PLP needs to change if UK politics is going to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 .And those polls above don't show any difference in public opinion on this. Exactly so why has Nicola got a giant pair of balls as a 'neoliberal' yet the great socialist hope is a evidently a huge wet cowardly ehhhm... Neoliberal. The guy caves in faster than I can keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It seems most Labour MPs are currently at odds with the party rank and file... 75% of Labour members apparently (I say apparently as the figure comes from leadership) oppose Airstrikes... While 52% of Labour voters support Airstrikes. I knew the membership had moved left... But didn't think it was that drastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Exactly so why has Nicola got a giant pair of balls as a 'neoliberal' yet the great socialist hope is a evidently a huge wet cowardly ehhhm... Neoliberal. The guy caves in faster than I can keep up. Corbyn has inherited a party full of Neoliberal blairite War Mongerors and wouldn't survive a walkout... As I say, the process of handing power to the membership has begun. These things take time. Nicola leads a party where disagreeing with leadership results in disciplinary action. In this instance the leadership has made the correct decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I don't see how Corbyn can survive long term. His party MPs are constantly undermining him. Same. Fighting him on almost every issue it seems. Just reinforces the wishes of a minority of people in power (the MPs) are more important than the people, in this case those who overwhelmingly voted Corbyn as leader. He'll be lucky to last a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I don't see what Corbyn gains by the constant prevaricating. Should hse this as a make or break. Follow the whip or off and join the Tories. Should stop appeasing the Blarites and just go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I don't see what Corbyn gains by the constant prevaricating. Should hse this as a make or break. Follow the whip or ###### off and join the Tories. Should stop appeasing the Blarites and just go for it. As a serial rebel, Corbyn is hardly in the position to withdraw the whip from elected MPs. The change has to come from the constituencies, and in a way a free vote will tell the local membership a great deal. As scunnered says, power has to shift to the membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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