Australia V Scotland

[joe545]

TMO can only be used when checking the grounding of a try, an infringement in the buildup to a try, for a goal attempt and foul play. So Joubert couldn't refer it. Gutting nonetheless

[macy37]

As ever folk focusing on other things to blame when in reality we cost us our place in the semi.

I've seen better line outs at youth rugby.

Sums our supporters up, it's ok to fail as long as it's someone elses fault.

[RenfrewBlue]

TMO can only be used when checking the grounding of a try, an infringement in the buildup to a try, for a goal attempt and foul play. So Joubert couldn't refer it. Gutting nonetheless

The late tackle on Hogg, just before the final fecked up line-out?

The ref was hopeless although hard to say biased as he was bad for both.

The yellow card? Disgraceful decision which should have been reviewed.

Hope he's booted out on his fat useless arse.

[RenfrewBlue]

As ever folk focusing on other things to blame when in reality we cost us our place in the semi.

I've seen better line outs at youth rugby.

Sums our supporters up, it's ok to fail as long as it's someone elses fault.

And you're focusing on only one thing too.

The yellow card directly cost us 7 points and was an incorrect decision.

Hogg was tackled late prior to the line-out we cocked up. If the correct decision is made the Aussie get a man yellow carded and we get a penalty, so the offending line-out would be much further up the pitch.

But don't let that stop you bitching about the fans

[joe545]

The late tackle on Hogg, just before the final fecked up line-out?

The ref was hopeless although hard to say biased as he was bad for both.

The yellow card? Disgraceful decision which should have been reviewed.

Hope he's booted out on his fat useless arse.

Hogg tackle would be foul play, so yes for TMO.

The yellow card *was* reviewed and still was incorrect!

[Rossy]

As so often with Scotland, it's the fine lines and tiny margins that cost us.

A decision by the TMO to look at Maitland's knock-on in slow motion. A refusal by Joubert to consult the TMO about the hit on Hogg after the ball was away. An overthrown line-out.....we only needed to get the ball, FFS. Joubert being panicked into incorrectly giving Australia a penalty in the last minute.

He didn't even need to go to the TMO....it was replayed on the big screen and the whole ground saw it was incorrect. He only needed to look up.

Gutted. Mostly I'm gutted at our inability to win our own throw when we had one foot in the semi-final, but the decision after that is hard to take.

[macy37]

And you're focusing on only one thing too.

The yellow card directly cost us 7 points and was an incorrect decision.

Hogg was tackled late prior to the line-out we cocked up. If the correct decision is made the Aussie get a man yellow carded and we get a penalty, so the offending line-out would be much further up the pitch.

But don't let that stop you bitching about the fans

That's some crystal ball you have.

There is a lot of peopel here who have no idea....first the tmo can only be used for foul play , to check a infringement in the lead up to a try (with in 2 phases) or for grounding. This was non of the above so no tmo.

Now the penalty as per 11.7 the ball is knocked on by a scot player it's clear as day. Any scot player now in front of the play is offside no matter if an ays player touches the ball or not . Think of it this way if the ball is knocked on by the scots straight into the arms of an Aussie play then that player passes the ball and it's intercepted by a scot player in front of the original player who knocked it on and he has not retired behind said player than he is in an offside position and a penalty is awarded.

No different to this incident it makes no difference if Phipps touches the ball or not the scot players are all in an offside position until they retire behind the player who knocked the ball on.

End of story

[mariokempes56]

Look on the bright side, at least the IRB will likely now get the final they so clearly want.

So England re-instated ?

[Rossy]

That's some crystal ball you have.

There is a lot of peopel here who have no idea....first the tmo can only be used for foul play , to check a infringement in the lead up to a try (with in 2 phases) or for grounding. This was non of the above so no tmo.

Now the penalty as per 11.7 the ball is knocked on by a scot player it's clear as day. Any scot player now in front of the play is offside no matter if an ays player touches the ball or not . Think of it this way if the ball is knocked on by the scots straight into the arms of an Aussie play then that player passes the ball and it's intercepted by a scot player in front of the original player who knocked it on and he has not retired behind said player than he is in an offside position and a penalty is awarded.

No different to this incident it makes no difference if Phipps touches the ball or not the scot players are all in an offside position until they retire behind the player who knocked the ball on.

End of story

The poor line-out cost us.

Bad decision making and execution at the very point where we needed clear heads and one massive play.

If it had been at the other end, Australia would never have f*cked up their own line-out.

[ShedTA]

Don't know if the ref is incompetent or bent but he was just desperate to give the penalty at the end incorrectly. Geech was right - would he have given that against the kiwis or another of the favourites? I don't think so. It has always been the same but you just felt the desperation to get the Aussies into the semi.

[SMcoolJ]

That's some crystal ball you have.

There is a lot of peopel here who have no idea....first the tmo can only be used for foul play , to check a infringement in the lead up to a try (with in 2 phases) or for grounding. This was non of the above so no tmo.

Now the penalty as per 11.7 the ball is knocked on by a scot player it's clear as day. Any scot player now in front of the play is offside no matter if an ays player touches the ball or not . Think of it this way if the ball is knocked on by the scots straight into the arms of an Aussie play then that player passes the ball and it's intercepted by a scot player in front of the original player who knocked it on and he has not retired behind said player than he is in an offside position and a penalty is awarded.

No different to this incident it makes no difference if Phipps touches the ball or not the scot players are all in an offside position until they retire behind the player who knocked the ball on.

End of story

Not sure where you copy and pasted that from - but it's incorrect.

[DaveyDenoon]

Yes it was offside but it was accidental offside as the ball came off Phipps. The award ought to have been a scrum to Australia not a penalty. They may or may not have scored off it, we'll never know.

But if he'd made the right call with the late tackle on Hogg then we'd have had a penalty and a probable lineout much higher up the pitch. Less pressure on it, less likely to mess it up but even if we did we'd have much better chance to defend it and even if we'd given away the same penalty it wouldn't have been kickable.

All in all Joubert knows he ####ed up big time by sprinting up the tunnel at the end without shaking a single hand.

Forget the controversial decisions and forget whether or not he cost us a place in the semi. Disappearing up the tunnel like that alone should see him stripped of his refereeing credentials for good.

[thplinth]

After the revelling in Ireland's loss just a few hours before... the Lennon'esque claims of ref bias are perhaps not the wisest now.

Edited October 18, 2015 by thplinth

[Rossy]

Joubert has got previous for that.

Remember the Wales game at Murrayfield a few years back when Wales suckered Joubert into awarding a wheen of scrum penalties against Scotland ?

They engaged late at almost every scrum and Joubert fell for it hook, line and sinker. At the final whistle he made sure he was right on the edge of the pitch and he was up the tunnel like a rat up a drainpipe.

He's not a referee who has been kind to Scotland, but he's been handsomely rewarded at every turn by the IRB. Royally up and influencing games with poor decisions is not a reason for the IRB to sanction referees.

[thplinth]

Joubert has got previous for that.

Remember the Wales game at Murrayfield a few years back when Wales suckered Joubert into awarding a wheen of scrum penalties against Scotland ?

They engaged late at almost every scrum and Joubert fell for it hook, line and sinker. At the final whistle he made sure he was right on the edge of the pitch and he was up the tunnel like a rat up a drainpipe.

He's not a referee who has been kind to Scotland, but he's been handsomely rewarded at every turn by the IRB. Royally up and influencing games with poor decisions is not a reason for the IRB to sanction referees.

Nice timing Rossy. All the best man.

[The Laud]

Did the unionist chappies lose at the rugger?

so sad.

[Rossy]

Did the unionist chappies lose at the rugger?

so sad.

Harsh.

I've no idea how any of the players voted, but I do know that Scotland's rugby support is made up of both yes and no voters.

The rugby team is a window in which the wider world can view Scotland as a separate nation. Performances like today's give the country pride.

[RenfrewBlue]

That's some crystal ball you have.

There is a lot of peopel here who have no idea....first the tmo can only be used for foul play , to check a infringement in the lead up to a try (with in 2 phases) or for grounding. This was non of the above so no tmo.

Now the penalty as per 11.7 the ball is knocked on by a scot player it's clear as day. Any scot player now in front of the play is offside no matter if an ays player touches the ball or not . Think of it this way if the ball is knocked on by the scots straight into the arms of an Aussie play then that player passes the ball and it's intercepted by a scot player in front of the original player who knocked it on and he has not retired behind said player than he is in an offside position and a penalty is awarded.

No different to this incident it makes no difference if Phipps touches the ball or not the scot players are all in an offside position until they retire behind the player who knocked the ball on.

End of story

Did you read my post at all?

The yellow card saw us a man short for 10 mins. A couple of minutes into that and Australia scored a try through the channel that would have been occupied by the guy sitting in the sin bin.

Ergo it directly cost us 7 points. Get it now?

[mariokempes56]

The rugby team is a window in which the wider world can view Scotland as a separate nation. Performances like today's give the country pride.

Plus the facts that 2 separate sets of "rules" apply...same old shite,

[DaveyDenoon]

Joubert has got previous for that.

Remember the Wales game at Murrayfield a few years back when Wales suckered Joubert into awarding a wheen of scrum penalties against Scotland ?

They engaged late at almost every scrum and Joubert fell for it hook, line and sinker. At the final whistle he made sure he was right on the edge of the pitch and he was up the tunnel like a rat up a drainpipe.

He's not a referee who has been kind to Scotland, but he's been handsomely rewarded at every turn by the IRB. Royally up and influencing games with poor decisions is not a reason for the IRB to sanction referees.

And am I right in thinking he was generally regarded as making a of himself in the last RWC final, giving New Zealand dodgy decisions?

Maybe my memory isn't as good as it once was but I'm sure there were, er, "talking points" after that game?

[1ANDYP]

Boot in the baws again.

[giblet]

Harsh.

I've no idea how any of the players voted, but I do know that Scotland's rugby support is made up of both yes and no voters.

The rugby team is a window in which the wider world can view Scotland as a separate nation. Performances like today's give the country pride.

Gutted at the result but just cant stomach listening to the former players who won the grand slam and the likes of Nicol who were so vocal in support of a No vote.

[Rossy]

And am I right in thinking he was generally regarded as making a of himself in the last RWC final, giving New Zealand dodgy decisions?

Maybe my memory isn't as good as it once was but I'm sure there were, er, "talking points" after that game?

Aye. He's not France's favourite referee either.

The IRB (or World Rugby, whatever they're called) have got to start looking at this.....too many high profile rugby games are being decided by refereeing decisions instead of good play.

In these days of professional rugby, it's unacceptable to apply amateur ethics....the referee is always unquestionably correct......to massive matches.

Intertnational games involve a tiny selection of the same referees, from a small number of countries. The smaller nations.....Scotland, Italy, even Argentina...or ignored when it comes to officials, and there seems to be no sanction at all when these same referees up time after time.

You think the SFA are run by amateurs with their heads up their erses ? Step forward the IRB.

[Toepoke]

Gutted at the result but just cant stomach listening to the former players who won the grand slam and the likes of Nicol who were so vocal in support of a No vote.

Plenty of our ex fitba internationals were too, surely it's not high in your mind when we lose at that?

John Beattie on the radio was saying he'd never bought into the theory that wee teams don't get the decisions, until this evening.

Radio Scotland's summary had a definite air of "we wuz robbed" about it.

[mariokempes56]

So ref was incompetent or a cheat or some combination of both (sprinting down tunnel without shaking hands)? Some serious questions on-line from those who know the game a lot better than I .