Toepoke Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Just a wee summary to keep it simple. Three possible permutations can guarantee us the play off spot:- 1) Beat Poland and Gibraltar. Ireland fail to beat Germany. 2) Beat Poland and Gibraltar. Ireland beat Germany and Poland. 3) Draw with Poland and beat Gibraltar. Ireland lose to Germany and Poland. I think that's it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 Just realised there's a 4th possibility if we beat Poland and only draw with Gibraltar while Ireland get zero points. Surely that wouldn't happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Beat Poland and Gibraltar. Ireland draw with both Germany and Poland Edited September 10, 2015 by Brummie Hibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Win both games and all that can screw us is Ireland beat GermanyPoland draw or beat Ireland I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheepieTartanArmy Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 For once we can all agree gilbralter game is a guaranteed 3 points. So we beat Poland. Germans thump Ireland to seal top spot we are in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 For once we can all agree gilbralter game is a guaranteed 3 points. So we beat Poland. Germans thump Ireland to seal top spot we are in the playoffs. Germany were superb the other night and if they repeat that against Ireland and Ireland get a result then they'll have merited the spot. Germany to seal the win though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_B81 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Only a win against Poland will do. Even a draw won't be enough as can't guarantee that Poland will go all out to beat Ireland knowing that a point is all they'll need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Only a win against Poland will do. Even a draw won't be enough as can't guarantee that Poland will go all out to beat Ireland knowing that a point is all they'll need. Yes I agree. The best scenario for us is that we beat Poland and Ireland draw with Germany. That way going into the last round of matches Poland will still need a win so will be motivated to perform against Ireland. As I see it if those results happen then in the final round of fixtures a win secures us a play-off spot regardless of results elsewhere. If Poland beat Ireland we finish third and play-off spot is ours. If Ireland win we get third pllace ahead of Poland on head-to-head. If it is a draw in Ireland V Poland then third is still ours. I think that is correct. Edited September 10, 2015 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) The best scenario for us is that we beat Poland and Ireland draw with Germany. That way going into the last round of matches Poland will still need a win so will be motivated to perform against Ireland. If that happened Poland would only need a draw v Ireland, and it wouldn't matter to us if they were motivated or not. Personally I'd like Ireland to qualify (ad long as we get there too!) Edited September 10, 2015 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 Only a win against Poland will do. Even a draw won't be enough as can't guarantee that Poland will go all out to beat Ireland knowing that a point is all they'll need. I see getting a point off Poland as giving us a dug's chance. You'd rather not be in that position but at least it's a safety net if it doesn't happen for us at Hampden... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norsefox Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Win both games and all that can screw us is Ireland beat Germany Poland draw or beat Ireland I think If we beat Poland and Ireland fail to beat Germany the final fixture between Poland and Ireland is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norsefox Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I see getting a point off Poland as giving us a dug's chance. You'd rather not be in that position but at least it's a safety net if it doesn't happen for us at Hampden... It's not a safety net if Ireland draw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 It's not a safety net if Ireland draw... True, another reason why we must go for the win... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nek Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 It's not a safety net if Ireland draw... exactly, quite honestly if you cant beat poland at home when its all on the line we don't deserve a crack at playoffs, end of story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norsefox Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) I've run through all the scores and these are the team I reckon are most likely to finish 3rd: Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Slovenia, Hungary, Israel, Turkey (Ukraine to be best placed 3rd) No one to be particularly scared of there - though I'd fancy Slovenia, Hungary or Israel (if the seedings allowed for it) Edited September 10, 2015 by norsefox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReverend Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Excuse my ignorance, but are the playoffs home and away or a straight knockout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 TheReverend, on 10 Sept 2015 - 1:34 PM, said: Excuse my ignorance, but are the playoffs home and away or a straight knockout? Home & away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 exactly, quite honestly if you cant beat poland at home when its all on the line we don't deserve a crack at playoffs, end of story We were supposed to have been a lot better than Poland back in 1965, but this game did us in :-( http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/international_fixture_details.cfm?page=1921&matchID=57646 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReverend Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Cheers Parklife. Better not spend all my dough in Portugal then (Note the positive thinking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo `81 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yes I agree. The best scenario for us is that we beat Poland and Ireland draw with Germany. That way going into the last round of matches Poland will still need a win so will be motivated to perform against Ireland. As I see it if those results happen then in the final round of fixtures a win secures us a play-off spot regardless of results elsewhere. If Poland beat Ireland we finish third and play-off spot is ours. If Ireland win we get third pllace ahead of Poland on head-to-head. If it is a draw in Ireland V Poland then third is still ours. I think that is correct. Is this not overly complicating things - From what I can see using a results calculator if Scotland beat Poland and germany beat Ireland ( The most likely result in Germany game) Poland would be on 17, Ireland 15 and Scotland 14 --- With Scotland getting a gauranteed 3 pts against Gibraltar to take us to 17 - Any result in Poland v Ireland game would leave us ahead of Ireland if Poland win or it's a draw, and level on 17 with Poland - and 3rd on haed to head by virtue of getting 4 pts out of 6 - if ireland win..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 4 points from our last 2 games can be enough. If Ireland lose both games against Germany and Poland. (which is very possible) We'd be level on points and a better head to head. Poland wouldn't be guaranteed 2nd spot yet if they draw with us so would be going for a win. I can certainly see Ireland losing both games. We should definitely not be playing for a draw though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 We beat Poland and Ireland either lose/ or draw to Germany then we are near enough through to the playoffs(of course, if we don't mess up v Gibraltar). I have no complaints though. We messed up in Georgia, but we still have a 'decent' chance. If we do not beat Poland, and Ireland pick up points in both their final games then well done to them, and we simply aren't good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 We beat Poland, and say Ireland - Germany ends 1-1. Pol 17 Ire 16 Sco 14 We beat Gibraltar, and if all 3 results happen in the Pol-Ire game - we are through Pol 1-0 Ireland = Pol 20 Sco 17 Ire 16 Pol 1-1 Ireland = Pol 18 Sco 17 Ire 17 (better head to head) Pol 1-2 Ireland = Ire 19 Sco 17 Pol 17 (better head to head) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 We beat Poland, and say Ireland - Germany ends 1-1. Pol 17 Ire 16 Sco 14 We beat Gibraltar, and if all 3 results happen in the Pol-Ire game - we are through Pol 1-0 Ireland = Pol 20 Sco 17 Ire 16 Pol 1-1 Ireland = Pol 18 Sco 17 Ire 17 (better head to head) Pol 1-2 Ireland = Ire 19 Sco 17 Pol 17 (better head to head) Yes. That is what I was saying earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANDYP Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 We have really only had 1 up in the section. Decent results v poland and Ireland. Lost by the odd goal twice v the world champions.if we can get the final 2 wins we deserve to be in the play off.just a pity Georgia happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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