stocky Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) What were the records of the two managers at Celtic Any Fans help me here. Ta Also at other teams as manger and player.. Edited June 10, 2015 by stocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 What were the records of the two managers at Celtic Any Fans help me here. Ta Also at other teams as manger and player.. I'm pretty sure Strachan had a better record than O'Neill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'm pretty sure Strachan had a better record than O'Neill. And I'd be wrong. Both won the league 3 times but O'Neill has 3 Scottish Cups to Strachan's 1 although Strachan won the LC twice with O'Neill winning it once. O'Neill also has the UEFA Cup Final. All in all O'Neill lifted 7 trophies to Strachan's 6. That was however over 5 seasons while WGS was only there for 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 And I'd be wrong. Both won the league 3 times but O'Neill has 3 Scottish Cups to Strachan's 1 although Strachan won the LC twice with O'Neill winning it once. O'Neill also has the UEFA Cup Final. All in all O'Neill lifted 7 trophies to Strachan's 6. That was however over 5 seasons while WGS was only there for 3. Hard to compare. Strachans trophies average is better. Is the UEFA cup final as good as 2 chanps league last 16? (u didnt add that - did he do it twice?) WGS also won 3 in a row... O neil won every trophy Strachan didnae get Scottish Cup so thats a minus for him.... IMO Strachan was Better..... but I am biased.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Hard to compare. Strachans trophies average is better. Is the UEFA cup final as good as 2 chanps league last 16? (u didnt add that - did he do it twice?) WGS also won 3 in a row... O neil won every trophy Strachan didnae get Scottish Cup so thats a minus for him.... IMO Strachan was Better..... but I am biased.. Strachan won the Scottish Cup in '07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Strachan won the Scottish Cup in '07. ok, Missed that.. He wins then,,,,, Strachan it is.. he has also beaten O neill at International level as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 ok, Missed that.. He wins then,,,,, Strachan it is.. he has also beaten O neill at International level as well.. O'Neill won 2 league cups in England though. As well as a few trophies with Wycombe in the lower leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Surely O'Neil's Celtic Sainthood must tip it in his favour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Would have thought Strachan didn't spend nearly as much money on big names as O'neil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 O'Neill had Larsson at Celtic, slight advantage there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 O'Neill had Larsson at Celtic, slight advantage there... Strachan had Roirdan.... Shouldae been Larsonesque.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 O'Neill had Larsson at Celtic, slight advantage there... Thats an under statement , I would say a fecking big advantage !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Strachan got them to the last 16 of the Champions league twice. O'Neill never got them past the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At U Peter Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 O'Neill had Larsson at Celtic, slight advantage there... And Moravcik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Farrington Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I've got much fonder memories of MON's time as manager, but a lot of that was down to the players & money he was able to work with. Things ended on a downer under Strachan, but his record was superb & I never got my head around the hostility from a lot of Celtic fans. That said, I think most Celtic fans are now far more positive when they talk about him. MON's tactics simply haven't evolved over time & Ireland play the same very direct stuff his teams were playing years ago. When you look at how we play under Strachan, he's moved with the times alright. Both have their own qualities, but Strachan is a better manager on the whole for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At U Peter Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Things ended on a downer under Strachan, but his record was superb & I never got my head around the hostility from a lot of Celtic fans. That's actually a bit of a media myth if we're being completely honest. There may have been a small section of the support a bit underwhelmed by his appointment and not impressed by the start he made but the same could be said about Ronnie Deila. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 My recollection was the hard core celtic fans turned against WGS when he came out and said, I don't buy into this irish connection. I may have red hair but I am scotiish, exit stage left soon after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At U Peter Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 My recollection was the hard core celtic fans turned against WGS when he came out and said, I don't buy into this irish connection. I may have red hair but I am scotiish, exit stage left soon after. Can you link me up to where he said that please? I'd be astounded if that was true and even more so that I hadn't heard anyone mention it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 My recollection was the hard core celtic fans turned against WGS when he came out and said, I don't buy into this irish connection. I may have red hair but I am scotiish, exit stage left soon after. I don't think that happened. The O'Neil years were more fun but we had some fantastic players because we spent a lot of money. Seville was special. O'Neil didnt have a plan B and was far too loyal to players. He doesnt have that ruthless streak that top managers have and the ability to know when to get rid of a player even if they've been great for you in the past. Strachan took over a shambles of a squad and had to build it quickly with cheap and free players. He had a better record in the CL but had the advantage of being a higher seeding because of O'Neil's successes. Both managers did a fine job but for me, Strachan did slightly better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usainboltyarocket Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Can you link me up to where he said that please? I'd be astounded if that was true and even more so that I hadn't heard anyone mention it before. Can you link me up to where he said that please? I'd be astounded if that was true and even more so that I hadn't heard anyone mention it before. He said he was Scottish and happy to be so. Whether anyone likes it or not the Irish connection is real and not manufactured. Nothing to be ashamed of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Can you link me up to where he said that please? I'd be astounded if that was true and even more so that I hadn't heard anyone mention it before. This link touches on it, may have read it in his auto biography. http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2009/may/25/gordon-strachan-celtic-ewan-murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I've no facts to back it up by it felt like MON spent far more than WGS and didn't ever get the consistency out of his squad. He did manage some big wins/events like the UEFA cup final and giving us a couple of pumpings. WGS built a squad that kept on winning. He is a far better manager in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Whether anyone likes it or not the Irish connection is real and not manufactured. Nothing to be ashamed of.It's manufactured for the thousands of Scots who follow Celtic and Ireland instead of getting behind the country that they were born into and educated in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Farrington Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 That's actually a bit of a media myth if we're being completely honest. There may have been a small section of the support a bit underwhelmed by his appointment and not impressed by the start he made but the same could be said about Ronnie Deila. Nah, I don't think it was media myth. A lot of fans didn't want him & whilst he managed to win plenty round, it never took much for the grumbles to start. Our last season in particular, lots wanted him gone again. I still had my season ticket when Strachan was the manager & I remember the Motherwell game where we lost 1-0. "Strachan, Strachan, GTF" was loud & clear that day. I'm not sure what the reasons are - not being a "Sellik man" is often the reason given. I honestly wasn't blown away when he was appointed, but I always liked him (wanted him as the Scotland manager long before he got the job). It was more how his appointment came about. Getting told MON was leaving & this is what you're getting - was a lot to take in. It was also the morning of Helicopter Sunday if I remember right? I thought we should have looked about for other options, but it turned out for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usainboltyarocket Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 It's manufactured for the thousands of Scots who follow Celtic and Ireland instead of getting behind the country that they were born into and educated in. What like most of us voting yes? Paying taxes? Its not your business what each individual values in their life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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