Guest Extreme0 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Next week will have MSPs discussing and either allow or denying the Asissted suicide bill to go through or not from stage one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Fingers crossed. Long overdue. My life - my choice. The dementia issue is being overplayed by those opposed to the bill. Can't see how anyone who has sat and watched a loved one die in complete pain can even consider being opposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Extreme0 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) I hope it passes as well. I also want to see those ####ers from 'Suffer not killing' start crying as well. Bunch of wide-eyed idealist morons. Edited May 21, 2015 by Extreme0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Hope so as well but don't think Scotland is quite ready for this to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 This is one instance where I'm glad to pass the decision to the lawmakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 My life - my choice. Always, and not just on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Always, and not just on this issue. Absolutely right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Always, and not just on this issue. You are on the wrong board with that attitude I'm afraid. Agree with you 100% btw. This is long overdue. Fully support it being passed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Fingers crossed. Long overdue. My life - my choice. The dementia issue is being overplayed by those opposed to the bill. Can't see how anyone who has sat and watched a loved one die in complete pain can even consider being opposed. I'll second that statement. Having watched my natural mother suffer from ms for years till the last couple of years were spent in bed not able to feed herself, barely able to communicate (we understood her as we were used to it) and yet we have folk that say she had quality of life. Would like to see how much quality they would see if it was them instead of her. Don't get me wrong I'm not for a total open free for all but there has to be an avenue to let assisted suicide happen without fear of prosecution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Saw a good friend waste away from pancreatic cancer back in 2005 with absolutely no hope of any cure. A guy who had boxed heavyweight for the army screaming in pain and reaching for his oxygen tank and constantly shooting up with morphine to ease his pain? In situations like that and from what I saw, would happily tell the 'right to life' fraternity to shut the up in these situations and allow families to show a bit of dignity and allow their loved ones to end their suffering in peace where there is no hope of cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Anything that stops a painful existence be it human or animal has to be a sensible decision ,I do have experience in this topic . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Hope the bill is rejected. I think it would result in the end of palliative care as we know it and lead to a culture where people encouraged to take their lives rather than drain NHS resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Hope the bill is rejected. I think it would result in the end of palliative care as we know it and lead to a culture where people encouraged to take their lives rather than drain NHS resources. That should be the persons choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 That should be the persons choice Yes- my fear is that it wouldn't be. If assisted suicide becomes the cultural norm then palliative care will become questionable from an economic perspective. Why waste money keeping someone alive for another 6 months? It just seems like an awful easy way to ease pressure that the ageing population will have on the NHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Ye cause some one with some thing like locked in syndrome has such great quality of life. Why would they ever want to die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Yes- my fear is that it wouldn't be. If assisted suicide becomes the cultural norm then palliative care will become questionable from an economic perspective. Why waste money keeping someone alive for another 6 months? It just seems like an awful easy way to ease pressure that the ageing population will have on the NHS. I don't think that will happen. And for this to pass policies should be put in place to stop it. I can't ever foresee attitudes changing so much that we as a society are comfortable killing off old people in order to save money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 If folk want to exit this mortal coil - let them. And, if those that feel the need to assist - as long as there is a clear, legal exit strategy - why not? We don't keep beasts alive when they are fuqqed. Just my humble opinion, BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Should be allowed. Watched a couple of family members waste away to nothing, bed ridden for a couple of years unable to move, horrible to see and probably worse for them, especially when their head can very much be in it but their body isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Apparently the pain my father was in was terrible. Virtually begged my mum to do him in. How can you have any form of life like that? The sooner this bill gets passed, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 This has apparently become the top method in Asia. Yet to catch on in the west as much. If I had to top myself this would probably be the route I go down... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcoal-burning_suicide There was a story fairly recently about some guy who killed himself and his family (I think one kid survived) because he foolishly took the dying embers of their BBQ into their tent to keep warm. It is ing lethal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I've not heard of any cancer patient who wasn't in agony in their final days even with the morphine ramped up to maximum. Anyone who's lived through that (thankfully I haven't but people close to me have done it) would advocate assisted suicide. But it's easy to see why someone who hasn't experienced it or is a bit religious might think otherwise. Part of the problem lies with palliative care in hospitals. In hospital they're obliged to keep the patient hydrated or they risk being exposed to all kinds of blame and lawsuits. The problem is that hydration does nothing except prolong the lives of these people who are in agony and just want to be gone and in some cases it can make things worse. There are alternative approaches to palliative care that involve taking the patient home, keeping up their drugs and not hydrating them. This lets their body go naturally and more peacefully but still, a lot of the people want to go before that. I don't see why that should be denied to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Jeffrey Spector http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32881161 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 "Jeffrey ended his life with dignity and control which was his overwhelming desire." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Rejected. Poor show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Apparently defeated 82 to 36 - sounds like the SNP voted against it (if it was voting down party lines). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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