giblet Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I could foresee a situation where Milliband is replaced by someone else as Labour leader, because he simply is not PM material and will wilt under pressure. Remember that Labour is all about backstabbing and manoeuvring for power - you can bet that there will be Labourites ready to topple Milliband if he flops. I can also see a possibility of a Tory-Labour national government, anathema as that may seem to many - would be great for the independence movement though. If Labour lose by more than 25 seats to Tories, can see them abstaining in a queens speech vote, they may see it as too much of a risk for RUK if they tried to form a government at that kind of numbers. If they did, they would be completely finished in Scotland. Letting Tories rule is just simply a no go area in Scotland. Could see defections or indeed a new truly Scottish Labour Party born out of that one. I think Burnham will be the next leader although when I was recently down in London, heard the idea of Ummana as potential with Labour running it as "an Obamma" like campaign next time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doakes Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Aye it'll be interesting to see how she plays it, she needs to make Ed appear unelectable in Scotland but not so in England... Sturgeon performs best when she speaks honestly. Voters respect her for it. Too much emphasis on "playing the game" in this Union, rather than coming up with sensible ideas and solutions. Edited April 16, 2015 by Doakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The idea of Ed as PM is a frightening one, but he's a weak leader and if he's relying on SNP for support they will run rings around him which should hopefully be good for Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Ed makes Neil Kinnock look like Abe Lincoln... Does he spend his spare time drawing daft beards on pictures of Kinnock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Dumbledore is chairing it and he's usually pretty good. FFS min what planet do you get your TV signal from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 That videos about 3 or 4 years old now. He's much improved and a PM we can all be proud of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Not sure about proud but his politics are probably better than his skills as a public speaking politician. Still won't vote for them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Realistically, it's the only option available. If she did any deal with the Tories, it would affect the SNP for a generation (at least). I'd take Cameron over Milliband any day, but such is the body politik, Milliband's all Nicola's realistically got. It's no her fault he's an Elmer. How about Labour form a government and then very quickly perform a coup d'état relatively quickly? Are there any hard hitters in the Labour Party? The fact I'm asking this troubles me. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 John prescotts a pretty hard hitter ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 That videos about 3 or 4 years old now. He's much improved and a PM we can all be proud of. Outstanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 That videos about 3 or 4 years old now. He's much improved and a PM we can all be proud of. He's definitely improved, but he's not even close to being Prime Minister material never mind someone we can all be proud of. I want Labour to lead the next government but by f***, there's a real danger Miliband could finish Labour off. If makes a Noel Hunt of this, and there's a good chance he will, we'll be looking at a Tory majority in 2020. If Labour want to win back credibility, they need a rock solid five years. This isn't Tony Blair and New Labour rolling into town with the electorate pig sick of the Tories. The trajectory of English politics is right - and a poor Labour government will increase the momentum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Are there any hard hitters in the Labour Party? They might be able to choose Lord Brown of North Britain as PM. Being banned from appearing the Commons would suit Macavity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Not quite. It also stressed that Sturgeon would be a target too, having been seen by many to have done so well in the first debate. She'll need to be on top form, I suspect that she could be on the end of some nasty stuff. Be interesting to see how impartially it is moderated, don't know the format. Milliband is in an awkward spot as he has to get the balance right between appearing all cuddly and moderate for Middle England, while at the same time not looking like a Tory-lite cockwomble to voters in Scotland where the branch office is in crisis. Yes I should have said 'mostly' rather than 'almost entirely'. SNP maybe got a "Scottish 8.5%" of the airtime. Which was denied to the other three candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Miliband rules out 'confidence and supply' arrangement with SNP http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32472190 And says Labour can win in Scotland Where's Jim Murphy these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthTam Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Miliband rules out 'confidence and supply' arrangement with SNP http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32472190 And says Labour can win in Scotland Where's Jim Murphy these days? If that is his perception of things here then I would rather he didn't have a finger on a nuclear button! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I would rather have cameron than milliband at leadt we know what to expect from cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I would rather have cameron than milliband at leadt we know what to expect from cameron I would rather it would be neither of the two of them .... I would much rather we had independence from this Westminster freakshow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padre Andrew Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Where's Jim Murphy these days? Scoring own goals. A complicit media is required for him to get away with his spinning, and at last some of them are noticing that he's at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQzkwAhTvgg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Scoring own goals. A complicit media is required for him to get away with his spinning, and at last some of them are noticing that he's at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQzkwAhTvgg Do you think the tide is turning? People in the media thought he was a winner and were happy to indulge and get on the good side of the man of the moment... Meanwhile, he has allegedly started blaming his predecessors http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/article4423642.ece (at leasty as can be seen from the first couple of paragraphs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Miliband rules out 'confidence and supply' arrangement with SNP http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32472190 Big Len disagrees... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/27/len-mccluskey-says-prime-minister-ed-miliband-would-work-with-snp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Ed Miliband says says Tories 'using SNP to distract voters' distractingly http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32560887 Edited May 2, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 A standing ovation from the North British faithful at his wee bash last night, for saying no deal with the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 What an utter fücking champion! Hell yes he's tough enough! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XkQtnezxUF8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 What an utter fücking champion! Hell yes he's tough enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHATBOY_AK47 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 My undercrackers are tougher than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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