thplinth Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Wow Dave King is losing it. And so soon. Cracking under Ashley pressure it looks like. I do find it amusing the way they interlace the not so subtle any more threats with the pleas for us to all come together for the best for Scottish Football. FFS they made every attempt possible to undermine Scottish football and fukk off to England but now we need to come together to save it... They are only trying to save themselves and threatening once again the 'Sampson option' if we do not all cower and comply. Dave King go fukk yourself. Edited November 12, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 So resorting back to threats again how unsurprising. Apart from that the statement is appallingly out of touch with the general feeling around this whole issue. Kings making a laughing stock of himself. Or he's being deliberately antagonistic so that he can blame everyone else when it all goes tits up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Or he's being deliberately antagonistic so that he can blame everyone else when it all goes tits up? He's being an arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The man is trolling. He can't be purposely being a stupid . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Certain players may not have signed for the Club without the perceived benefit of personal tax savings but there was no general advantage for the player squad, or the performance on the pitch. We would still have signed players of equal abilities if one or two had decided they didn’t want to sign under different financial circumstances. Im not overly interested in this whole affair, but that quote is absolutely comical. Rangers gained a sporting advantage, anyone who cant see that is an idiot. As for stripping titles etc, I honestly dont care, although it would be tremendously funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 What Dave King is implying is that had a player they offered 1m a year to 'tax free' under an EBT scheme said 'no I don't like EBTs' they would have simply offered them (say) 1.5m not-tax-free. Maybe that is true for one or two as not every player had an EBT. The ones with the better advisers probably did get an alternative offer. But to suggest had they all said no to EBT's that RFC would have been able to gross up all their tax free salaries and pay all the PAYE taxes is simply not true. RFC would quickly have been forced to cut back the 'EBT players' budget by at least a third to a half had they paid taxes on it. King is like the worst bullshit artist on this thread. It is shameless spin and broken promises from what i can see (so far). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The man is trolling. He can't be purposely being a stupid ######. Who knows? He can't be an idiot as he's made too much money. The other board members have been trying to build relationships with the other clubs and governing bodies. This is the polar opposite. Feck knows what he thinks this will achieve. I honestly can't see a purpose for this unless he's looking for a way out. It does play to the lowest common denominator in the support sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Can't get this out of my head when reading that statement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Who knows? He can't be an idiot as he's made too much money. The other board members have been trying to build relationships with the other clubs and governing bodies. This is the polar opposite. Feck knows what he thinks this will achieve. I honestly can't see a purpose for this unless he's looking for a way out. It does play to the lowest common denominator in the support sadly. I'd suggest there is nothing else on his agenda than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 King is like the worst bullshit artist on this thread. You must run him a close 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 What Dave King is implying is that had a player they offered 1m a year to 'tax free' under an EBT scheme said 'no I don't like EBTs' they would have simply offered them (say) 1.5m not-tax-free. Maybe that is true for one or two as not every player had an EBT. The ones with the better advisers probably did get an alternative offer. But to suggest had they all said no to EBT's that RFC would have been able to gross up all their tax free salaries and pay all the PAYE taxes is simply not true. RFC would quickly have been forced to cut back the 'EBT players' budget by at least a third to a half had they paid taxes on it. King is like the worst bullshit artist on this thread. It is shameless spin and broken promises from what i can see (so far). But they could have still assembled a team that would have been capable of winning the league as there wasn't much opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I'd suggest there is nothing else on his agenda than this. Agreed I am starting to think he is running scared. I am not sure stripping titles is an option or what it would achieve, but given events it needs to be something rangers should sit down and discuss and argue their reasons against it. I cant see the logic of threatening people not to consider it. I think it would be ruled out anyway, but that at least would be a conciliatory jesture. Feels like king is close to meltdown, which makes you wonder about the ashley court move against him - think it might be jail time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I think we should be sorry - and I certainly am sorry, King told Sportsmail. We owe both the Rangers fans and the Scottish footballing public an apology. Some of the representations made have betrayed more of a victim status. But I think somebody needs to apologise. Clearly, that is not for Charles Green to do. But I am happy to say that I really believe we should be saying sorry and I think there is something to be sorry about. And as a former director when these things were going on, I am minded to do so. With regard to EBTs, I was on the board so I have to take some responsibility. And I follow the logic of the argument that if we lose the tax case then we probably gained some competitive advantage. I believe that, on behalf of myself and most of the board members who were with me and probably agree with me, that we should apologise for that. I know that the Murray Group might not say that, because it might be tantamount to admitting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 But I am happy to say it as a director of the football club. And, having been there for the last couple of days, and getting a sense of the anger and anxiety, that it is absolutely appropriate for the previous regime to be sorry. Club chairmen will decide on July 4 if an Ibrox newco should be allowed to play in the top tier next season. Even if the chairmen vote yes, however, SPL sources have warned that the club could still face expulsion if dual contracts were operated by a board of directors on which King was a member for 12 years. Insisting there was no attempt to gain a deliberate competitive advantage from the use of a Murray group EBT, King added: No one on the board, when I was there, would have had any intention of gaining an advantage. But the fact is that I can understand the perception out there now. And the way that Rangers have treated the authorities - instead of having a conversation with them around reparation - has been regrettable. One of the things I would have looked at as part of a consortium in terms of funding is to try and fund them so that they could make some sort of commercial reparation to the other clubs. But lets do it in a way whereby it is seen to have happened and we come out of it strongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) The problem with the title stripping, is that Rangers will just do what Juventus have done. Juventus just ignore the fact they had some titles taken away from them and they still show them as titles won on all their websites and in the stadium. Yes it will add much ammo for us all to wind up our Rangers supporting pals and Rangers fans on the internet, but do you think that will change the mentality of a good proportion of their fans who clearly now feel they have been hard done by (when this is simply wrong). You know Rangers will keep their stars on their shirts and continue with their "most titles " in the world pish even if they are stripped. Meantime, endless hours will be spent updating, then deleting, then updating their wiki pages. At some point Scottish football has to stop this pish. Rangers are not helping this situation either, they are being run by a bunch of clowns who are pandering to the dark reaches of their support to prop up their regime. Edited November 12, 2015 by giblet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) But they could have still assembled a team that would have been capable of winning the league as there wasn't much opposition. Maybe Ben Johnson would have won without the drugs. Should he keep his medal(s) too... just in case? Edited November 12, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Maybe Ben Johnson would have won without the drugs. Should he keep his medal(s) too... just in case? Last time I checked sprinting wasn't a team sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The problem with the title stripping, is that Rangers will just do what Juventus have done. Juventus just ignore the fact they had some titles taken away from them and they still show them as titles won on all their websites and in the stadium. Yes it will add much ammo for us all to wind up our Rangers supporting pals and Rangers fans on the internet, but do you think that will change the mentality of a good proportion of their fans who clearly now feel they have been hard done by (when this is simply wrong). You know Rangers will keep their stars on their shirts and continue with their "most titles " in the world pish even if they are stripped. Meantime, endless hours will be spent updating, then deleting, then updating their wiki pages. At some point Scottish football has to stop this pish. Rangers are not helping this situation either, they are being run by a bunch of clowns who are pandering to the dark reaches of their support to prop up their regime. Radicals of any kind don't deal with facts regarding their passion. Nazis still believe they where correct in their actions. The one thing RFC and Juve had in common was the "wee are the peepul" attitude coupled with the backing of the establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce778 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Maybe Ben Johnson would have won without the drugs. Should he keep his medal(s) too... just in case?What a ludicrous comparison. You have well and truly lost the plot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Last time I checked sprinting wasn't a team sport. He never made the 4 x 100 m relay team, if he had, I'm pretty sure Canada wouldve been disqualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 What a ludicrous comparison. You have well and truly lost the plot. Hang on. Are you that guy on the other thread trying to equate all RFC's cheating as just another "creditor"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce778 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Hang on. Are you that guy on the other thread trying to equate all RFC's cheating as just another "creditor"? The other thread? Hmrc are just another creditor. Hmrc doesn't dispute that. It's the law.What cheating are you alleging? Cheating suggests rule breaches. What rules do you say have been broken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 What cheating are you alleging? Cheating suggests rule breaches. What rules do you say have been broken? Side letters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Side letters? Undisclosed side letters...directly contravening SFA rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Seriously though, the £30k paid to Graeme Souness? That probably breaks a rule somewhere. I'm amazed nobody seems interested in that particular EBT. Was it a "thank you" for the £17 million he spent on Rangers players at Blackburn and Newcastle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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