Clyde1998 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 SNP 45% (-1); LAB 28% (+2); CON 15% (+1); LD 5% (-2); OTHER 7% (0) Hardly any change then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Holding up well. Good to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenAngus Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Would it be fair to say that in Scotland many more people have made up their mind who they will vote for and there is little that would change their minds than voters south of border? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Would it be fair to say that in Scotland many more people have made up their mind who they will vote for and there is little that would change their minds than voters south of border? Empirically, I would say that is so. Just off the back of the referendum and its wake, I think most folk have chosen their vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenAngus Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Empirically, I would say that is so. Just off the back of the referendum and its wake, I think most folk have chosen their vote. That is what I was thinking. I see an article on the Daily R*c*rd site suggesting we'll get 5 more years of Cameron because of this. That is despite their own maths showing that the SNP & Labour vote combined would be enough to either form the coalition or at worst vote against a minority Tory or Tory/Lib Dem Govt. Given that the SNP have categorically stated that they would not enter into any agreement with the Tories this argument that an SNP vote is a Tory vote is total nonsense. Time to ask the Labour party if they will prop up a Tory minority administration just because it is the opposite of what the SNP would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 That is what I was thinking. I see an article on the Daily R*c*rd site suggesting we'll get 5 more years of Cameron because of this. That is despite their own maths showing that the SNP & Labour vote combined would be enough to either form the coalition or at worst vote against a minority Tory or Tory/Lib Dem Govt. Given that the SNP have categorically stated that they would not enter into any agreement with the Tories this argument that an SNP vote is a Tory vote is total nonsense. Time to ask the Labour party if they will prop up a Tory minority administration just because it is the opposite of what the SNP would do. That's the bit that gives the lie. Scotland returned 41 Labour MPs at the last WM GE - and we got Cameron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dod Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 That's the bit that gives the lie. Scotland returned 41 Labour MPs at the last WM GE - and we got Cameron. Why don't the SNP just run a campaign of "vote labour get tories" highlighting their commitment to continue austerity/trident etc as well as what happened when Scotland voted labour last time? Red tories or blue tories whats the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Why don't the SNP just run a campaign of "vote labour get tories" highlighting their commitment to continue austerity/trident etc as well as what happened when Scotland voted labour last time? Red tories or blue tories whats the difference? Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Why don't the SNP just run a campaign of "vote labour get tories" highlighting their commitment to continue austerity/trident etc as well as what happened when Scotland voted labour last time? Red tories or blue tories whats the difference? Think the message is 'be possitive' rather than criticising the opposition; let them make their own mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Guardian article reporting on people switching from Lab and Lib to SNP and Green http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/20/swinging-for-victory-how-the-political-landscape-in-scotland-is-changing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Cameron just said "A vote for the SNP is a vote for Labour in government." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-cameron-labour-and-snp-coalition-an-ultimate-nightmare-scenario-10060756.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Scotland returned 41 Labour MPs at the last WM GE - and we got Cameron. Then let's return 59 and finish the Tories off for good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoltanBuchan Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Why don't the SNP just run a campaign of "vote labour get tories" highlighting their commitment to continue austerity/trident etc as well as what happened when Scotland voted labour last time? Red tories or blue tories whats the difference? I think most people would prefer something along the likes of "Vote SNP, get...a party that will oppose austerity, fight to remove Trident, and work tirelessly for a better deal for Scotland". Most people must be sick of this "Vote x get y" nonsense by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenAngus Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Then let's return 59 and finish the Tories off for good! No let's return 0 Tory, 0 Lib Dem & 0 Labour MPs and change the face of Scottish/UK politics forever. 59 Red Tories wouldn't finish off the Blue Tories for good. Edited February 21, 2015 by AberdeenAngus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 No let's return 0 Tory, 0 Lib Dem & 0 Labour MPs and change the face of Scottish/UK politics forever. 59 Red Tories wouldn't finish off the Blue Tories for good. Ok, return 58 Soutar National Party then and 1 Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 'Soutar National Party' - FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 F!uck Labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 'Soutar National Party' - FFS! Apologies. *Souter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Argyll & Bute - 4-way marginal as described in FT http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e56ce036-b915-11e4-b8e6-00144feab7de.html#axzz3SNk82C00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Argyll & Bute - 4-way marginal as described in FT http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e56ce036-b915-11e4-b8e6-00144feab7de.html#axzz3SNk82C00 Last sentence is key for me. “There’s a lot of anti-SNP feeling,” says Bill Hanbury, Conservative party constituency chairman. “It’s a bit of a pity that we might split the vote.” There must be a very significant number of Scots who dont care who wins, Tories, Labour or WhoreDems, their only aim to keep the SNP out. Fckin arseholes. Edited February 21, 2015 by kumnio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Last sentence is key for me. “There’s a lot of anti-SNP feeling,” says Bill Hanbury, Conservative party constituency chairman. “It’s a bit of a pity that we might split the vote.” There must be a very significant number of Scots who dont care who wins, Tories, Labour or WhoreDems, their only aim to keep the SNP out. Fckin arseholes. Alex Massie was spot on with that recently:- "The poll reveals something we’ve long suspected: Scotland’s four party system is no more. Instead the country is divided into two blocks, one Unionist and the other Nationalist. The difference is that the Nationalist block is united but the Unionist vote is still split three ways. Good luck organising effective tactical voting in those circumstances." http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/02/unless-something-changes-soon-scottish-labour-is-doomed/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Alex Massie was spot on with that recently:- "The poll reveals something we’ve long suspected: Scotland’s four party system is no more. Instead the country is divided into two blocks, one Unionist and the other Nationalist. The difference is that the Nationalist block is united but the Unionist vote is still split three ways. Good luck organising effective tactical voting in those circumstances." http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/02/unless-something-changes-soon-scottish-labour-is-doomed/ It seems it's not just the nationalists who are obsessed with union v independence. On another front: Only federalism can now save the Union. http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/02/andy-maciver-as-scottish-conservatives-gather-for-their-conference-a-stark-message-for-cameron-only-federalism-can-now-save-the-union.html Edited February 21, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 this is gold....... "I wouldn’t dare to be so uncouth as to suggest Labour are f*cked but they’re hardly unf*cked either." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Only federalism can now save the Union.http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/02/andy-maciver-as-scottish-conservatives-gather-for-their-conference-a-stark-message-for-cameron-only-federalism-can-now-save-the-union.html That's pretty extreme from a Tory, but then Andy MacIver is about as radical a Tory as you can get.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted February 21, 2015 Author Share Posted February 21, 2015 Scottish Parliament: Constituency polling: SNP - 48.0% LAB - 27.7% CON - 12.7% LIB - 4.7% GRN - 3.7% UKIP - 2.3% Others - 0.8% List polling: SNP - 38.6% LAB - 22.1% GRN - 13.1% CON - 12.0% LIB - 6.5% UKIP - 6.5% Others - 1.2% Seat projection: SNP - 65 (-4) LAB - 29 (-8) GRN - 13 (+11) CON - 12 (-3) LIB - 6 (+1) UKIP - 4 (+4) Other - 0 (-1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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